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@Hyolobrika I don't think they've thought it through. Their idea is that as early adopters, they'll be trillionaires when all of society moves to the libertarian-fun-bux standard, and everyone who didn't buy btc will be peasants. But why would anyone move to a different currency where they'll be a peasant? What's gonna motivate everyone to ascend these basement-dwellers to godhood?

@Hyolobrika Why do you concern yourself with such scammers?

@sun @Hyolobrika Every time I've tried to talk to some crypto-bro about whether crypto is a good idea, all they fall back on is that the USD is inflationary and a bad store of value.

Sure. It is. But that isn't in itself an argument why cryptocurrencies are a good idea.

So I've given up. Let people dump their money into the scams, doesn't matter to me.

@Hyolobrika
> In general, we need more independence from government, not less, given the way the world is going.
Isn't it odd though that cryptocurrencies are more actively used in counties with greater economic and political freedoms and such activities are nearly non-existent, heavily regulated or embraced by governments themselves in non-free regimes?
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@Hyolobrika
This alone makes me think that they do not solve the problem they claim to solve: taking cryptocurrencies under control seems to be relatively easy, and they are merely being tolerated in countries where people already have greater independence from the government.
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@Hyolobrika
You can just impose fines on organisations for accepting payments in cryptocurrencies — that's it, problem effectively solved! Paying in cryptocurrency becomes as "easy" as buying illicit drugs or guns.
In countries with freedoms and rule of law you can exclaim: "But muh rights, you can't do that!",— doesn't work in the non-free regimes, they do whatever they deem fit and don't ask you about your rights.
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@Hyolobrika
Taking them under control involves extra steps, like creating your own cryptocurrency and banning all the "wrong" ones, e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_ruble
This effectively shifts the perception of the general public: "It's not that these cryptocurrencies thingies that everyone's talking about are banned — it's just the bad ones, ones that are probably used by our enemies anyway"
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@Hyolobrika
And again — that's it! They are both allowed to circulate on paper, but are de-facto under government control.
I've been staying out of the loop, but both Russia and… say North Korea have been actively encouraging cryptocurrencies — there were a plethora of cases such as this: https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/28/virgil_griffith_guilty_north_korea/
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@Hyolobrika
Yes, NK have been holding summits on cryptocurrencies — governments see it as a viable options to circumvent sanctions.
At the same time these countries might be banning mining by individuals domestically — not hard, since they control the power grid, and yes, sadly, they CAN decide what you spend your electricity on even if you pay for it!
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@amerika
Those who can afford a nuclear power plant can do lots of bad things. When it comes to cryptocurrencies, they can take over the distributed ledger by flooding it with nodes under their control and achieve something like this: https://web.archive.org/web/20211222000248/https://fortune.com/2018/05/29/bitcoin-gold-hack/
Some time ago there were lots of debates whether China can take over Bitcoin, I'm not sure what the consensus is today.
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