> guy kills the guy that kills the president
> says he doesn't remember doing it
> turns out the CIA straight up has a program to mind control people into assassinating people and forget about it
> the president said he was gonna kill the CIA
what are you some kind of conspiracy theorist
> says he doesn't remember doing it
> turns out the CIA straight up has a program to mind control people into assassinating people and forget about it
> the president said he was gonna kill the CIA
what are you some kind of conspiracy theorist
> a program to mind control people into assassinating people and forget about it
Is this a new revelation or one that we've already known about
Is this a new revelation or one that we've already known about
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We absolutely know they had this program because we have living victims from it, and we have documentation from government files about it. The only reason we have government files about it is because someone misfiled a box of documents so it didn't mysteriously get destroyed.
@Nudhul alleged schizos have talked about the heart attack gun since the 60s
@sun it was one of the things uncovered in the church committee report
https://www.military.com/history/cias-heart-attack-gun-cold-war-weapon-targeted-assassinations.html
https://www.military.com/history/cias-heart-attack-gun-cold-war-weapon-targeted-assassinations.html
@Nudhul my understanding is it is called this because it stops the heart beat
@Nudhul some people were inclined to believe in havana syndrome because there has been talk for years about weapons that do this, some people think that spies know about this stuff but every side is keeping their existence a secret because everybody uses them
@sun im almost certain that subjecting someone to continuous sound even outside of the frequency we can hear will make them sick
@Nudhul they also supposedly have a gun that can make someone cum uncontrollably
I am not making this up
I am not making this up
@Nudhul I have never heard of an actual gay bomb, they hypothesized about it but there's no record of it ever being researched seriously.
the cum gun though could make you cum so hard and so continuously that it could rupture your genitals internally with extended use
the cum gun though could make you cum so hard and so continuously that it could rupture your genitals internally with extended use
@Nudhul not sure if real or just schizo, but I bring it up because it's interesting. the claim was it was used to embarrass people by making them constantly cum and finally to sexually injure people in their sleep
@sun you would run out of juice after the 2nd time. after that its just muscle contractions. maybe you could overwork them somehow but i just dont see it happening, especially if there's no physical or chemical stimuli
source: i was a teenager once
source: i was a teenager once
@sun sounds like schizo ramblings. there's no tugging or pulling involved that could cause that (on the inside anyway)
@toiletpaper @Nudhul I am convinced that there are actual pharmaceutical aphrodisiacs, there's no reason to believe this single psychobiological function is the only one that can't be chemically induced
@Nudhul did you hear about the schizo that burned over a million dollars of cryptocurrency to tell people that china is mind controlling people
@sun @toiletpaper did you know that there are high powered vibrators made for veterinarians to collect semen samples to help preserve endangered species?
they arent even sold to the public
they arent even sold to the public
@sun @Nudhul
I know there're herbal aphrodisiacs. One priestess I circled with years ago used to make a mean May wine using Turnera diffusa and Galium odoratum primarily, that had extremely potent arousing effects on all who consumed it. Some people also suggest to use Pausinystalia johimbe, but that can be a bit dangerous (potentially heart attack inducing). But yeah, suffice it to say these things aren't a mere myth (speaking from experience).
I know there're herbal aphrodisiacs. One priestess I circled with years ago used to make a mean May wine using Turnera diffusa and Galium odoratum primarily, that had extremely potent arousing effects on all who consumed it. Some people also suggest to use Pausinystalia johimbe, but that can be a bit dangerous (potentially heart attack inducing). But yeah, suffice it to say these things aren't a mere myth (speaking from experience).
@toiletpaper @sun herbal stuff can be sketchy cuz sometimes there's real chemistry there and other times its new age crystal women with every neurosis ever documented telling you hemlock extract is great for curing migraines
@Nudhul @sun
> hemlock extract is great for curing migraines
Uh... no. I almost did myself in back when I was young and stupid by anointing myself with hemlock essential oil. Very bad news.
But herbalism is very legit when you aren't taken in by all the woo. Almost all the big-pharma prescribed by doctors is derived from ethnobotony plagerised from indigenous medicine keepers anyway, even if they synthesise it or tweak the molecule in order to qualify for a patent. The real herbs though are generally way more effective because of the entourage effect, and if you know enough about foraging, can be obtained for $0 with a little bit of elbow grease and know-how, and maybe at most a mickey of vodka and a mason jar.
> hemlock extract is great for curing migraines
Uh... no. I almost did myself in back when I was young and stupid by anointing myself with hemlock essential oil. Very bad news.
But herbalism is very legit when you aren't taken in by all the woo. Almost all the big-pharma prescribed by doctors is derived from ethnobotony plagerised from indigenous medicine keepers anyway, even if they synthesise it or tweak the molecule in order to qualify for a patent. The real herbs though are generally way more effective because of the entourage effect, and if you know enough about foraging, can be obtained for $0 with a little bit of elbow grease and know-how, and maybe at most a mickey of vodka and a mason jar.
@toiletpaper @sun >Almost all the big-pharma prescribed by doctors is derived from ethnobotony plagerised from indigenous medicine keepers anyway
most medicine is super ancient and independently discovered by different people all over the world. idk how you can say thats plagiarized
most medicine is super ancient and independently discovered by different people all over the world. idk how you can say thats plagiarized
@Nudhul @sun
Because they literally take the information directly from the medicine keepers, and then try to enact legislation to ban the plant materials, giving the original providers no credit or compensation. It's been going on for centuries like that right into the present day. I have friends whose herbal medicine businesses are constantly under threat from this exact situation.
Because they literally take the information directly from the medicine keepers, and then try to enact legislation to ban the plant materials, giving the original providers no credit or compensation. It's been going on for centuries like that right into the present day. I have friends whose herbal medicine businesses are constantly under threat from this exact situation.
@Nudhul @toiletpaper historic drugs are 80% derived from ethnobotany but almost all new drugs are not
@toiletpaper @Nudhul from what I can tell 30-40% of new drugs incorporate protein folding simulation, which has been massively sped up by AI. I in fact used to do work for this industry
@Nudhul @sun
Incidentally, here's a historical example. There are plenty including recent contemporary examples I can cite if it interests you.
https://qz.com/1442503/witches-are-responsible-for-some-modern-drugs
Incidentally, here's a historical example. There are plenty including recent contemporary examples I can cite if it interests you.
https://qz.com/1442503/witches-are-responsible-for-some-modern-drugs
@toiletpaper @sun pre-germ theory medicines were mostly symptom relieving, with a few that were toxic to some parasites. things like aspirin precursors (willow bark) for instance were being prescribed with physician records since the sumerians, and likely hundreds of thousands of years before then. antibiotics and antivirals that came after the discovery of microorganisms i think are almost entirely novel and recent.
@toiletpaper @Nudhul I am just kind of skeptical because there just isn't any low hanging fruit anymore where you can grind up bark and get aspirin. in every modern case I have seen, there is some traditional medicine and scientists figure out that it really does have some kind of medicinal properties, then they spend a billion dollars to take make it 1000x more potent and usable for more things. I am acknowledging they contributed to the process but the traditional use isn't really anything like the pharma product
@Nudhul @sun
The ancient Egyptians prescribed Penicillium for infected injuries by taking a piece of mouldy bread and placing it over the wound as a compress. That goes back a few thousand years at least. Also honey (which I personally used to cure an advanced MRSA infection in my foot) has been used longer than recorded history and is still just as effective today (when you can get it unpasteurised from a reputable source). There's a lot of herbal wisdom which was made illegal or it's practitioners in some cases literally burned at the stake. All we have left are fragments, but even that is significant and not to be disregarded. I consider it to be a privilege and a duty to carry the torch of some of that knowledge and continue to pass it on for present and future generations.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/the-h-word/2015/mar/31/anglo-saxon-antibiotics-are-just-the-start-its-time-to-start-bioprospecting-in-the-past
The ancient Egyptians prescribed Penicillium for infected injuries by taking a piece of mouldy bread and placing it over the wound as a compress. That goes back a few thousand years at least. Also honey (which I personally used to cure an advanced MRSA infection in my foot) has been used longer than recorded history and is still just as effective today (when you can get it unpasteurised from a reputable source). There's a lot of herbal wisdom which was made illegal or it's practitioners in some cases literally burned at the stake. All we have left are fragments, but even that is significant and not to be disregarded. I consider it to be a privilege and a duty to carry the torch of some of that knowledge and continue to pass it on for present and future generations.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/the-h-word/2015/mar/31/anglo-saxon-antibiotics-are-just-the-start-its-time-to-start-bioprospecting-in-the-past
@sun @Nudhul
I use wild lettuce tincture to treat my own headaches, but you can also still use willow or poplar cambium. It works. That said, what you're getting in the bark isn't asperin from the drug store. It's an unrefined precursor to asperin which has a much more potent but also short duration effect. Also you need to be careful with it because in larger or long term doses it can result in internal bleeding. This stuff still all works very well, but it's not all exactly child's play. You have to have some caution and experience, and ideally one or several good mentors. Plantago major is another good painkiller, which though milder is still quite effective, and like wild lettuce you can use it as a salad green and get all the same benefits that way and then some.
I use wild lettuce tincture to treat my own headaches, but you can also still use willow or poplar cambium. It works. That said, what you're getting in the bark isn't asperin from the drug store. It's an unrefined precursor to asperin which has a much more potent but also short duration effect. Also you need to be careful with it because in larger or long term doses it can result in internal bleeding. This stuff still all works very well, but it's not all exactly child's play. You have to have some caution and experience, and ideally one or several good mentors. Plantago major is another good painkiller, which though milder is still quite effective, and like wild lettuce you can use it as a salad green and get all the same benefits that way and then some.
@toiletpaper @sun @Nudhul My grandma used to make an onion poultice that works great. Or a potato soup with a ton of onions and black pepper....black pepper used to be thought of as medicine and has tons of benefits
@HarryNuggets @sun @toiletpaper onyums and garlick are classic symbols of health.
they also happen to taste good
they also happen to taste good
@Nudhul @sun @toiletpaper Garlic lowers your blood pressure amongst other things
@HarryNuggets @Nudhul @sun
Exactly. So much of herbal medicine can be turned into gourmet food. I cured myself of severe chronic gastritis (Heliobacter pylori infection) over the past month using a tea and soups made with fresh turmeric, ginger, cumin and for good measure some burdock and dandelion root. Worked like a charm.
Exactly. So much of herbal medicine can be turned into gourmet food. I cured myself of severe chronic gastritis (Heliobacter pylori infection) over the past month using a tea and soups made with fresh turmeric, ginger, cumin and for good measure some burdock and dandelion root. Worked like a charm.
@Nudhul @HarryNuggets @sun
One of the best cough syrups (onions and garlic with honey in a double boiler for 30 minutes) also doubles as a fantastic honey garlic BBQ sauce.
One of the best cough syrups (onions and garlic with honey in a double boiler for 30 minutes) also doubles as a fantastic honey garlic BBQ sauce.
@toiletpaper @HarryNuggets @sun "healing waters" as described in old texts, when investigated, usually turn out to be heavily fortified with minerals
@toiletpaper @Nudhul @sun I have a recipe called chicken and 40 cloves which is great you can literally feel the garlic coursing through your body after eating it and feel good for days
@Nudhul @HarryNuggets @sun
There're a lot of folknames for stuff like that. Like all the ingredients in the witches' potion in MacBeth are references to herbs (eg. eye of newt = mustard seed). One of my favourites is "baby fat" which is a rendered goose or duck fat used as a base for herbal salves (not fat from infants blood sacrificed on a Pagan altar like some retards believed it to be). It can be a bit challenging to decipher some old timey recipes because of that, and overlap in names, or multiple different names for the same plant, etc. But once it's figured out it's usually really a gold mine.
There're a lot of folknames for stuff like that. Like all the ingredients in the witches' potion in MacBeth are references to herbs (eg. eye of newt = mustard seed). One of my favourites is "baby fat" which is a rendered goose or duck fat used as a base for herbal salves (not fat from infants blood sacrificed on a Pagan altar like some retards believed it to be). It can be a bit challenging to decipher some old timey recipes because of that, and overlap in names, or multiple different names for the same plant, etc. But once it's figured out it's usually really a gold mine.
@toiletpaper @Nudhul @HarryNuggets all alchemy terms are something different even when there's really a thing that exists under that name
@sun @toiletpaper @HarryNuggets nearly every old recipe for food we have only outlines what to use and how to prepare it and assumes the reader is familiar enough with cooking to know the measurements. unlike with herbal medicine, there is a near zero chance of dying if you add too much or too little of something.
@sun @HarryNuggets @Nudhul
Yeah. Alchemy is a whole other kettle of fish that get's stuck in the blender with herbalism largely thanks to Paracelsus (father of modern toxicology), due to his invention of Spagyric medicine. Back in those days there was a lot of rivalry between different practitioners so they invented a bunch of convoluted symbolic ciphers and cockamamie theories to explain how it all worked. Partly to keep things proprietary so they could get paid/famous, and partly to prevent one's self getting burned at the stake by insanely superstitious Christians who wilfully misunderstand things like that. Gods forbid you were a woman trying to ply folk medicine, because that was illegal/Satanic. The earlier stuff pre-Paracelsus that didn't have as much Alchemy woo infused into it was much more down to earth though, provided it was ever recorded and that we can decipher the nomenclature. Linnaeus was a big help thankfully. But also the Greeks and Egyptians recorded a lot of their medical practices in plain language which has largely come down in tact, even if it's hard to identify sometimes precisely what plants they were indicating.
Yeah. Alchemy is a whole other kettle of fish that get's stuck in the blender with herbalism largely thanks to Paracelsus (father of modern toxicology), due to his invention of Spagyric medicine. Back in those days there was a lot of rivalry between different practitioners so they invented a bunch of convoluted symbolic ciphers and cockamamie theories to explain how it all worked. Partly to keep things proprietary so they could get paid/famous, and partly to prevent one's self getting burned at the stake by insanely superstitious Christians who wilfully misunderstand things like that. Gods forbid you were a woman trying to ply folk medicine, because that was illegal/Satanic. The earlier stuff pre-Paracelsus that didn't have as much Alchemy woo infused into it was much more down to earth though, provided it was ever recorded and that we can decipher the nomenclature. Linnaeus was a big help thankfully. But also the Greeks and Egyptians recorded a lot of their medical practices in plain language which has largely come down in tact, even if it's hard to identify sometimes precisely what plants they were indicating.
@toiletpaper @HarryNuggets @Nudhul I ahve been too lazy to find that leaked guide on how to actually make the philosopher's stone. a real no-bullshit guide was published a few years ago
@toiletpaper @sun @HarryNuggets im gonna say again that the chinese got it right when they gatekept spirituality, metaphysics and its interpretations to a dedicated class of scholars and told all the peasants that they were too retarded to understand any of it and to stick with their folk superstitions.
@toiletpaper @HarryNuggets @Nudhul protip the philosophers stone is phosphorus extracted from refining your urine for years
@sun @Nudhul @toiletpaper So having a pissjug means you're a philosopher..... that's my interpretation and I'm sticking with it
@sun @HarryNuggets @Nudhul
There are a lot of different traditions surrounding that depending which branch of alchemy specifically involved. Though it's definitely not traditional, I consider the "philosopher's stone" to be a collection of perennial truths and wisdom about the operations of nature which survive the ages and all attempts to debunk them. But truthfully in the original alchemy (literally al Kemet, from black earth, ie. "from Egypt") it was meant as a physical object tmk.
This is a somewhat related video from Dr. Justin Sledge about his attempt at recreating an alchemical potion for depression, albeit minus the dangerously toxic ingredients. It will give you an idea just how bonkers some of this stuff was. They literally often came up with a theory (frequently based on some superstitious nonsense from the BuyBull) and then backwards rationalised how a recipe and how it should work, mostly a priori knowledge.
https://youtu.be/lrrbGRIOhCw
My personal favourite herbal lore is the "Doctrine of Signatures", because people get it completely backwards. They think if the flower is yellow it's therefore good for the urinary tract. Or if it's heart shaped it's good for the heart. But in reality they knew what the plant was good for FIRST based on experience, and then decided on a feature of the plant that would make it easy to memorise for purpose of identification and associate with it's usage, and to be able to teach it to others (a posteriori). It's the different between the science of mnemonics, and the superstition of some crystal cruncher who learned it off a tiktok video (or modern doctor with their arrogant conceit).
There are a lot of different traditions surrounding that depending which branch of alchemy specifically involved. Though it's definitely not traditional, I consider the "philosopher's stone" to be a collection of perennial truths and wisdom about the operations of nature which survive the ages and all attempts to debunk them. But truthfully in the original alchemy (literally al Kemet, from black earth, ie. "from Egypt") it was meant as a physical object tmk.
This is a somewhat related video from Dr. Justin Sledge about his attempt at recreating an alchemical potion for depression, albeit minus the dangerously toxic ingredients. It will give you an idea just how bonkers some of this stuff was. They literally often came up with a theory (frequently based on some superstitious nonsense from the BuyBull) and then backwards rationalised how a recipe and how it should work, mostly a priori knowledge.
https://youtu.be/lrrbGRIOhCw
My personal favourite herbal lore is the "Doctrine of Signatures", because people get it completely backwards. They think if the flower is yellow it's therefore good for the urinary tract. Or if it's heart shaped it's good for the heart. But in reality they knew what the plant was good for FIRST based on experience, and then decided on a feature of the plant that would make it easy to memorise for purpose of identification and associate with it's usage, and to be able to teach it to others (a posteriori). It's the different between the science of mnemonics, and the superstition of some crystal cruncher who learned it off a tiktok video (or modern doctor with their arrogant conceit).
@toiletpaper @HarryNuggets @Nudhul it is both a real formula and process for creating a physical stone and a set of truths
@sun @HarryNuggets @Nudhul @toiletpaper reading the text is the easy part, deciding to find out if the text is real is the one that takes dedication
@hakui @HarryNuggets @Nudhul @toiletpaper even if you do everything right, you can spend years working on it and fail!
