The Dutch perhaps spend more on video games yet we have a LOT less gun violence πΊπΈ
I wonder why... π« β π³π±
Gun violence exicsts NOT because we play violent video games or watch violent movies
It's because the incredicibly stupid laws the politicians keep in place
You can think whatever you want but at the end of day the facts are clear
I don't care about "your rights to bear arms", it's 2024 not 1800
Thats like saying "The dutch banned vaccines, therefore we have a lot fewer vaccine deaths, I wonder why"
I mean of course you do, that doesnt make it a win anymore than eliminating vaccines would be a win.
Not sure how you are confused.. when you make something illegal that is used to save your life when someone is trying to kill you with a knife, it isnt a win that you eliminated gun deaths and replaced them with being killed by other means.
Much as when making vaccines illegal you effectively will eliminate all deaths via vaccine, but now replace those deaths with even more deaths from the virus itself.
Same thing, not sure why that concept would confuse you.
inb4 be sure if you use numbers you compare netherlands to itself both before and after a change. Any other comparison would be dishonest due to confounding.
@freemo Sorry but you don't get it.. like at all so im gonna stop wasting my time sorry β€οΈ
It's okay
@diego What has this too do with the dumb gun laws in the US
Don't focus the attention somewhere else
@stux It seems to be you who doesnt get it, but your always welcome to disengage.
@freemo Okay!
Your in the country with endless gun deaths but im the one who doesn't get it π
Thats what i mean haha
@stux I am also in the country that when the Israli mob was trying to murder me I was allowed to arm myself and ensure I stayed alive... I am in the country that didnt insist I let someone kill me just because it cares more about replacing one gun death with 10 knife deaths and calling that a win.
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We had a horrific murder/suicide five minute from my house. Young woman shot in a Taco Bell drive through lane, while on the phone w/ her parents, shot by a man with years of criminal record but STILL had a gun. π’ Shooter then killed himself. So sick sick sick
@stux The people who praise replacing one gun death with 10 knife deaths by making guns illegal are the same people who never stood up to people doing evil who were capable and willing to kill you.
When you are the one people are trying to kill your opinion on guns changes real quick. I certainly never bothered owning a gun before then. Now I open-carry with a license.
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I see you missed the part where i pointed out youd have to compare thr netherlands to itself after a law change and if you try to compare it against the usa youd be engaging in a fallacy as we cant adjust for confoubding in that case so you get nonsense numbers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-61188020
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never claimed your post is factuallymincorrext. Just like it is factually correct making vaccines illegal will eliminate vaccine deaths.
Being factually correct isnt the same as interpriting the facts correcrly.
Foe the recors in my 40 years living in one of the biggest cities I have never once seen anyone threatened with a gun nor ha e i ever known a single person who has.. in fact tbe only time i was near to a mass shooting at all and witnessed gun violence was in the Netherlands.
Indeed they do. With virtually every country if you compare their violent crime and homicide rates both before and after a gun ban the rates sky rocket for many years after and never return to normal.
So yes there are more people dying as a result of their gun laws and that can be seen across most nations that have had gun bans and inferred to be the same effect in the netherlands.
Most of the data for this i have is for other countroes like england, ireland, jamaica, but sadly limited data on the netherlands on hand.
@diego So it is not the fault of video games nor movies, it's the stupid laws
@stux In 1800 the right to bear arms was very restricted. Guns were considered very unreliable and not valid means of self defense.
If you were in a militia you were not allowed to use the guns your purchased for militia use for personal use, and were often stored in the militia bunker.
I think these countries need to change their gun laws!
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country
Its almost like "Cum hoc ergo propter hoc" is a logical fallacy or something... Who wulda thunk, not this scientist.
Just factually false. The reason you cant compare homicide rates to gun ratea across countries is due to confounding and isnt simply because some places are violent while others arent.
If you analyze the numbers according to proper scientific analysis where you loom at homicide rates before and after a change in gun laws kt cecomes very clear that banning guns in thr usa or anywhere else drastically increases violent crimes and homicide. I have posted thr stats on this countless times.
Again you do not xompare nations at all, that would be bad stats. You always compare a nation to itself both before and after a ban. In virtually all cases thenpattern is the same, huge increase in deaths following a ban that never fully recovers (but you do get partial rebound).
When im by the computer i can cind thr england data again. Its also been shown at the state levelnin thrbusa and again, deathtoll rises as well
Since we are talking abojt all homicide and violence, there is more than ample data.
Homicide went down along with the world wide trend in australia. But violent crimes went up, specifically sexual assault and robbery both skyrocketed .
You can argue many countries are different, doesnt change thr fact that thebpattern ia seen in botb developed and undeveloped nations.
Robbery increased but sexual assaults remained roughly the same. After 2001 the numbers went back down. Robbery is when you can still walk away with your life just less material goods. Less people died over all.
Sounds traumatic, sorry you felt in danger, but I'm glad you took steps to responsibly protect yourself and your loved ones.
Nevermind that removing the guns always has an authoritarian regime that follows.
It's amazing how much violence your own government is willing to perform against its population when they know the people cannot realistically fight back.
Look at the UK.
@freemo @stux Ironically, a similar provision was made for the Jews when Haman obtained a decree allowing their extermination. Esther 8
"By these letters the king permitted the Jews in each and every city the right to assemble and defend themselves, to destroy, kill, and annihilate all the forces of any people or province hostile to them, including women and children, and to plunder their possessions. The single day appointed throughout all the provinces of King Xerxes was the thirteenth day of the twelfth month, the month of Adar."
The decree to allow their extermination could not be revoked. But the additional decree gave official permission for the Jews to arm and defend themselves.