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Why don't politicians in general admit that we must ?

> In some ways its astonishingly simple. We allowed the collective management of the national interest to be corrupted by the idea that naked would provide more wealth for ‘everyone’, infamously, it would ‘trickle down’. It did no such thing. It never will. It only ever gushed rapidly upwards. We need a reset.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jul/11/why-is-labour-so-afraid-to-admit-that-we-must-tax-the-rich-to-help-the-poor#comments

@smallcircles Because when you heavily tax the rich, they leave and take their $ with them and everyone gets poorer still. The government is also an extremely inefficient system for wealth redistribution.

The better way to ensure prosperity for the people? Stop watering down the money...

Inflation is the system by which the poor are invisibly taxed while they dont have means to invest to overcome inflation. Hard money allows them to save without it getting inflated away.

@Charims yeah. But the rich we are talking about today already have their money in tax havens. And in the old days they were taxed highly and weren't leaving either. Otherwise I'd say good riddance.

If you just try to tax "the rich" more, the rich aren't going to get taxed. You're just going to be stealing more from the poor to hand to the rich unless you deal with the fundamental problem.

I've got a huge problem with who gets defined as "the rich". The guy who shovels shit in a mine and saves money for retirement can end up first of all being charged over half of their last dollar made on tax (especially if you include vat and sin taxes), because on paper the guy shovelling shit is "rich" and "one of the millionaires and the billionaires". Surprise surprise, it turns out that when you implement tax the rich policies the guy shoveling shit for a living ends up paying.

You've made the mistake of assuming that the government isn't the ruling class. And what does the ruling class do? It rewards its cronies. So what's going to happen if you give the ruling class more power? They're going to use it to further reward their cronies and harm those who disagree with them.

Totalizing state power is the definition of fascism. State worship is within the definition of fascism. Public corporations (the so-called NGOs) working in lockstep with the state is within the definition of fascism. And I don't mean internet fascism as in people I don't agree with doing things I don't agree with, I mean actual Benito Mussolini's economic policies sort of fascism. I've written at length about this in an upcoming book, but there's more to life than the state and the markets. These two forces individually want to control everything, but end up happy to work together to split everything in the world up between the two of them instead. This is where the marxists are correct that the state is the tool of the rich, but the liberals are also correct that the rich are the tool of the state. Both are true, and both use each other against the broader culture.

If you want the government to help the poor, there are two things that they can do: first, it can get its boot off of the poor's neck. A bunch of police coming to a lower class comedians house and arresting him for teaching his girlfriend's dog to do a Nazi salute isn't helping the poor. Second, with a fraction of the money it already has they could do plenty, just stop giving the money to your buddies, stop giving the money to ultra megacorps, and spend the money that they are already taking in on the things that they use to explain why they need more money all the time.
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@sj_zero thank you. We obviously have a whole bunch of wicked problems to solve, and maybe that is where things start in that we have a system that makes it excessively hard to deal with wicked problems.