Joe Biden thinks that discrimination against Asians is just fine: https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/politics/yale-university-affirmative-action-lawsuit/index.html
https://thepostmillennial.com/exclusive-seattle-social-justice-activist-charged-over-anti-asian-hate-attacks/
Only people who aren't paying attention should think that this is shocking. The far left, much like Adolf Hitler considers Asians to be honorary whites. There were plenty of people attacking Asians from the left minutes before any of this violence came to light. The way that they are suddenly acting like they care about Asians should sicken anyone. #stopasianhate
Only people who aren't paying attention should think that this is shocking. The far left, much like Adolf Hitler considers Asians to be honorary whites. There were plenty of people attacking Asians from the left minutes before any of this violence came to light. The way that they are suddenly acting like they care about Asians should sicken anyone. #stopasianhate
@boscallian @MoralPanic They love the CCP, and that country is literally a national socialist country. Just look at their naturalization policy: they don't have one. Unless you're born in China to Chinese parents, you will never be a Chinese citizen.
That's ok though. I can't think of any reason why they'll distance themselves from a national socialist country with actual honest to god ethnic concentration camps.
That's ok though. I can't think of any reason why they'll distance themselves from a national socialist country with actual honest to god ethnic concentration camps.
I've never been banned from Youtube. I've never been banned from Twitter. I've never been banned from Facebook. I've never been banned from Reddit.
It ultimately doesn't matter. When someone has a sword of Damocles hanging over your head, hanging over everyone's head, and that thread can break at any moment, it has a chilling effect on speech. People start self-censoring everything they say, and the value of the Internet Libre is lost.
There's a lot of people on this little corner of the Internet I strongly disagree with, but I would prefer they speak up without some overarching power silencing them. There can be value in hearing dissenting voices. Especially since we as individuals all will at some point be the dissenting voice in our lives.
It ultimately doesn't matter. When someone has a sword of Damocles hanging over your head, hanging over everyone's head, and that thread can break at any moment, it has a chilling effect on speech. People start self-censoring everything they say, and the value of the Internet Libre is lost.
There's a lot of people on this little corner of the Internet I strongly disagree with, but I would prefer they speak up without some overarching power silencing them. There can be value in hearing dissenting voices. Especially since we as individuals all will at some point be the dissenting voice in our lives.
#FOSS I like Rootless Pixel Launcher a lot, it usually ends up being the launcher I use on any given android phone. It's simple, it works, and I don't need to worry about whether it'll run on any given device. https://fossdroid.com/a/rootless-pixel-launcher.html
@saxnot @dvdl @malin It isn't a detour, it's the heart of the thing.
The fundamental question here is about cancellation. It's about taking away a person's life work. It's about a punishment like a death sentence. If you want to murder a man, take away his reason to strive forward and you'll kill him as surely as a bullet to the head.
It isn't something to be done lightly. Not if you believe in justice.
Frankly, I don't care specifically about RMS. What I've said could be applied to any of the victims of cancellation.
I do, and have, and will continue to preach tolerance. Tolerance of people of all races, sexes, genders, sexual orientations, and tolerance of opinions we don't like. Tolerance of people we sort of think are jerks. You don't have to like them, you don't have to be friends of them or actively try to advance them, but you should tolerate them, and try to do no harm.
The world isn't, never has been, and never will be black and white. There will be innumerable shades of grey. I learned that growing up and watching the establishment of the time split the world into black and white, good vs. evil, freedom vs. terror. The more you learn about the individual stories, the more you learn the world is more complicated than that. We all wish the world could be simple and there could be good and evil and we just need to strive for good, but even the best good can become evil if we're not careful. I've watched as things I fundamentally agree with and believe are twisted or pushed far past their limit and they stop being something I can believe in, not because the concept changed, but because it became so draconian as to no longer mean the same thing it meant.
The fundamental question here is about cancellation. It's about taking away a person's life work. It's about a punishment like a death sentence. If you want to murder a man, take away his reason to strive forward and you'll kill him as surely as a bullet to the head.
It isn't something to be done lightly. Not if you believe in justice.
Frankly, I don't care specifically about RMS. What I've said could be applied to any of the victims of cancellation.
I do, and have, and will continue to preach tolerance. Tolerance of people of all races, sexes, genders, sexual orientations, and tolerance of opinions we don't like. Tolerance of people we sort of think are jerks. You don't have to like them, you don't have to be friends of them or actively try to advance them, but you should tolerate them, and try to do no harm.
The world isn't, never has been, and never will be black and white. There will be innumerable shades of grey. I learned that growing up and watching the establishment of the time split the world into black and white, good vs. evil, freedom vs. terror. The more you learn about the individual stories, the more you learn the world is more complicated than that. We all wish the world could be simple and there could be good and evil and we just need to strive for good, but even the best good can become evil if we're not careful. I've watched as things I fundamentally agree with and believe are twisted or pushed far past their limit and they stop being something I can believe in, not because the concept changed, but because it became so draconian as to no longer mean the same thing it meant.
@saxnot @dvdl @malin The thing is, I'm the null position here. You're the one saying we need to cancel someone. I want to leave the guy alone and let him run his organization. You're advocating kicking him out.
I don't need to justify leaving someone alone. You need to justify intervening in his life.
I don't need to justify leaving someone alone. You need to justify intervening in his life.
@saxnot @dvdl @malin What makes you deserving of your life's work?
Should someone arbitrarily put you on trial to take your life's work away from you because they don't like you? Would that be just?
Should the guy who created gnu and the free software movement, the guy who created the gpl, the guy who created the concept of free software as distinct from proprietary software be allowed to run the foundation he created for the advancement of free software? Well, that's quite the resume. We're only all running software he's either written or managed for decades, using the license he created, complied using his compiler suite. He's spent longer than most of us have been alive advancing the cause of free software. You want to take that away from him because he isn't nice?
Some day you're going to get old, and after a lifetime you will have built something. And you'll probably have some young punk come up and start challenging you. "Why do you deserve all the things you have?" and they won't understand the decades of sacrifices, of choosing B instead of A, the hours of work you put into building what you have.
Let me flip the script. What have you done to deserve to take him away from his life's work? Have you created software the entire planet relies on every day? Have you created a movement that fundamentally changed the world for the better? Have you sacrificed a fortune you could have made taking your skills to the proprietary market in pursuit of your ideals?
Should someone arbitrarily put you on trial to take your life's work away from you because they don't like you? Would that be just?
Should the guy who created gnu and the free software movement, the guy who created the gpl, the guy who created the concept of free software as distinct from proprietary software be allowed to run the foundation he created for the advancement of free software? Well, that's quite the resume. We're only all running software he's either written or managed for decades, using the license he created, complied using his compiler suite. He's spent longer than most of us have been alive advancing the cause of free software. You want to take that away from him because he isn't nice?
Some day you're going to get old, and after a lifetime you will have built something. And you'll probably have some young punk come up and start challenging you. "Why do you deserve all the things you have?" and they won't understand the decades of sacrifices, of choosing B instead of A, the hours of work you put into building what you have.
Let me flip the script. What have you done to deserve to take him away from his life's work? Have you created software the entire planet relies on every day? Have you created a movement that fundamentally changed the world for the better? Have you sacrificed a fortune you could have made taking your skills to the proprietary market in pursuit of your ideals?
@saxnot @dvdl @malin Based on press coverage, it appears to me that this one thing was the justification for pushing RMS out of his position.
The whole "Racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic" thing without some serious evidence just sounds like the mantra used by bullies to force people they don't like out of positions pretty much every time. It's the same as accusing someone of being a satan worshipper or a witch or a child molester or a communist or a socialist previously. I've met people accused of those things, and they turned out to be categorically false.
It's been deeply disappointing seeing my generation that was heralded as bringing about a new era of niceness and positivity reverting to the exact same behaviors as our elders. The only thing that's changed is the words we use to attack the people we don't like, the methods are no different.
The whole "Racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic" thing without some serious evidence just sounds like the mantra used by bullies to force people they don't like out of positions pretty much every time. It's the same as accusing someone of being a satan worshipper or a witch or a child molester or a communist or a socialist previously. I've met people accused of those things, and they turned out to be categorically false.
It's been deeply disappointing seeing my generation that was heralded as bringing about a new era of niceness and positivity reverting to the exact same behaviors as our elders. The only thing that's changed is the words we use to attack the people we don't like, the methods are no different.
@saxnot @dvdl @malin Not specifically, but unfortunately in the past year in particular I've seen a lot of people who ought to know better who support cancellations, and a quick run through the user list looked an awful lot like those sorts of people.
I say "ought to know better" because it wasn't that long ago that people we don't think of as "the good guys" were doing the exact same things. We know that people were being blacklisted for sympathizing with communism or socialism, for being gay or bisexual or trans. It was only 1997 that Ellen came out as gay on her show, and she faced a massive movement to cancel her for it from the religious right. Thankfully by then momentum was building and the people who didn't care she was gay or thought it was kind of cool ended up outnumbering the people who did and wanted her career ended for it.
I say "ought to know better" because it wasn't that long ago that people we don't think of as "the good guys" were doing the exact same things. We know that people were being blacklisted for sympathizing with communism or socialism, for being gay or bisexual or trans. It was only 1997 that Ellen came out as gay on her show, and she faced a massive movement to cancel her for it from the religious right. Thankfully by then momentum was building and the people who didn't care she was gay or thought it was kind of cool ended up outnumbering the people who did and wanted her career ended for it.
@fribbledom I moved my 3d printer into the basement so I'd stop staring at it for hours on the kitchen table. Then it would fail, so now I have a camera trained on it and watch it in a vlc window, sort of messing with the point of putting it in the basement!
@p I haven't been up.on this stuff, is this remotely legit?
I mean, even if it's a troll I still followed for the lulz.
I mean, even if it's a troll I still followed for the lulz.