@Victor_Emmanuel @Eris @Glowberg_Fedstein @Shadowman311 You're cowards.
"Oh, we want to build something!" right, so you did, right? Oh, no. You just complained that it was too hard and you didn't want to and if only someone else could overthrow everything and do it for you then you could make something of yourself.
Pathetic.
"Oh, we want to build something!" right, so you did, right? Oh, no. You just complained that it was too hard and you didn't want to and if only someone else could overthrow everything and do it for you then you could make something of yourself.
Pathetic.
@Eris @Glowberg_Fedstein @Shadowman311 @Victor_Emmanuel Bullshit. You intend to hand them to someone else.
You know, most ideologies don't require revolution to create. You don't need to overthrow the government to create a commune. You don't need to overthrow the government to create a worker's cooperative. You don't need to overthrow the government to build a community far from the tendrils of some banking system.
The need to overthrow the government comes about from people who don't want to build anything, they want it built for them. You need to overthrow the system then because you need to force others to build what you're not willful enough to make for yourself.
Of course you don't want freedom, you know you won't do anything with it. If you don't do anything with it and you're just a free man then it's your fault and you're a failure, but if there's some overlord then you can at least point to them and say "If only we had the right overlord, things would be different for me!"
Cowardice. No wonder I have problems wrapping my head around people who advocate for such things.
You know, most ideologies don't require revolution to create. You don't need to overthrow the government to create a commune. You don't need to overthrow the government to create a worker's cooperative. You don't need to overthrow the government to build a community far from the tendrils of some banking system.
The need to overthrow the government comes about from people who don't want to build anything, they want it built for them. You need to overthrow the system then because you need to force others to build what you're not willful enough to make for yourself.
Of course you don't want freedom, you know you won't do anything with it. If you don't do anything with it and you're just a free man then it's your fault and you're a failure, but if there's some overlord then you can at least point to them and say "If only we had the right overlord, things would be different for me!"
Cowardice. No wonder I have problems wrapping my head around people who advocate for such things.
@Glowberg_Fedstein @Eris @Shadowman311 @Victor_Emmanuel
This conversation has helped me understand why you *are* cattle.
Between the fashies and the commies, it's the same. Nobody wants to build anything, they think they can be granted something by some omniscient omnipotent other. Both think that something they're not willing to build themselves will magically come into being if they just give someone else the reigns.
Giving up the divine spark of creation to someone else, you're giving up a core piece of your humanity, and for what? To be an NPC in someone else's game?
If you cattle want to be herded so much, so be it. I won't argue with you any further. I've got too much to build, and you've got to keep fighting to give away your agency.
This conversation has helped me understand why you *are* cattle.
Between the fashies and the commies, it's the same. Nobody wants to build anything, they think they can be granted something by some omniscient omnipotent other. Both think that something they're not willing to build themselves will magically come into being if they just give someone else the reigns.
Giving up the divine spark of creation to someone else, you're giving up a core piece of your humanity, and for what? To be an NPC in someone else's game?
If you cattle want to be herded so much, so be it. I won't argue with you any further. I've got too much to build, and you've got to keep fighting to give away your agency.
@Glowberg_Fedstein @Eris @Shadowman311 Just because I'm not fighting for what you want me to fight for doesn't mean I'm not fighting for something.
Which goes back to my original point. Let's say the "based and red pilled dictatorship" was run by me. I'd love it, but I bet you'd hate it.
Which goes back to my original point. Let's say the "based and red pilled dictatorship" was run by me. I'd love it, but I bet you'd hate it.
@Glowberg_Fedstein @AnonymousBosch @RoyalJohnny242 @Shadowman311 @WhiteTemplar
Yeah, it only created the 21st century.
Who cares about airplanes and automobiles and the cotton gin and the microchip and the fertilizer we use to feed the world, of nylon and vulcanized rubber and stainless steel, widespread electricity and telecommunications and mass transit by train, personal computers and smart phones and so on and so forth ad infinitum?
You've been hanging out with too many communists, they think the government can invent better than all the entrepreneurs and private inventors on the planet because they worship the state, but that's simply false.
Yeah, it only created the 21st century.
Who cares about airplanes and automobiles and the cotton gin and the microchip and the fertilizer we use to feed the world, of nylon and vulcanized rubber and stainless steel, widespread electricity and telecommunications and mass transit by train, personal computers and smart phones and so on and so forth ad infinitum?
You've been hanging out with too many communists, they think the government can invent better than all the entrepreneurs and private inventors on the planet because they worship the state, but that's simply false.
@Eris @Glowberg_Fedstein @Shadowman311
It's cute that you think any tyrant will be in your favor. Reality check: Every single tyrant will track every single kiwi farms member and up against the wall.
It's cute that you think any tyrant will be in your favor. Reality check: Every single tyrant will track every single kiwi farms member and up against the wall.
@Eris @Glowberg_Fedstein @Shadowman311
that's been my argument this whole time though, that trading one set of tyrants for another isn't going to be helpful.
I can see it in the replies, that everyone has this sunny vision that if only *their* despot could get in, things would be so much better. It's no different than the utopianism of the communists. It just isn't reality.
that's been my argument this whole time though, that trading one set of tyrants for another isn't going to be helpful.
I can see it in the replies, that everyone has this sunny vision that if only *their* despot could get in, things would be so much better. It's no different than the utopianism of the communists. It just isn't reality.
@Eris @Glowberg_Fedstein @Shadowman311 Joe Biden can't even control his own bowels or his urges to sniff children.
@Eris @Glowberg_Fedstein @Shadowman311 If that's the case, then why has the history of the world been a slow grind away from authoritarianism? We already had absolute monarchs, and then we had constitutionally restricted monarchs, and now even the places with monarchs give them no power.
@Victor_Emmanuel @AnonymousBosch @Glowberg_Fedstein @RoyalJohnny242 @Shadowman311 @WhiteTemplar
I actually didn't. I'm not a mind reader.
I actually didn't. I'm not a mind reader.
@Victor_Emmanuel @AnonymousBosch @Glowberg_Fedstein @RoyalJohnny242 @Shadowman311 @WhiteTemplar
Care to elaborate a bit on your first point? I'm not aware of an era called "the medical period".
Care to elaborate a bit on your first point? I'm not aware of an era called "the medical period".
@andreas @Shadowman311
The moment I have expectations of anyone is the moment I'm disappointed.
Don't worry, I don't expect anything of you.
The moment I have expectations of anyone is the moment I'm disappointed.
Don't worry, I don't expect anything of you.
@andreas @Shadowman311
Certain people are drawn towards whatever has power in the moment is. It wasn't so long ago that the biggest power was Christianity, but it wasn't really Christianity -- it was however those people needed to twist Christianity to get whatever they wanted.
The powermongers used up Christianity like a tissue paper, then moved onto the next most powerful thing. That happened to be egalitarianism.
Just like they twisted Christianity into something else to get what they want, they've twisted egalitarianism into its polar opposite with the same methods into something they can use to get whatever they wanted, and just like with Christianity they are using it up like a tissue. In this moment it might feel like there will never be a time that nobody gives a fuck about this shit, but it'll happen fast.
It also happened with environmentalism. The noble idea of protecting nature has been twisted into a mutant mockery of itself. The results of this are that if you want to destroy the planet, you follow what the environmentalists ask for. It'll result in a dead planet, a genocide, and all the money in the world sitting in their pockets.
If we run this twisted mockery of egalitarianism out of the room and let's say we push for absolute conservatism, racial purity, meritocracy all that -- the same people will just change their tune and start using up whatever ideology you care about like a tissue, twist it into something you grow to hate, and leave it useless on the ground. You might think you'd like this future, but you won't.
Instead of focusing on the specific tactics of the moment, you need to step back and see the whole board. Unless something is done to change their strategy, it will continue to succeed -- your most deeply held beliefs will be another casualty at the feet of the powermongers.
Certain people are drawn towards whatever has power in the moment is. It wasn't so long ago that the biggest power was Christianity, but it wasn't really Christianity -- it was however those people needed to twist Christianity to get whatever they wanted.
The powermongers used up Christianity like a tissue paper, then moved onto the next most powerful thing. That happened to be egalitarianism.
Just like they twisted Christianity into something else to get what they want, they've twisted egalitarianism into its polar opposite with the same methods into something they can use to get whatever they wanted, and just like with Christianity they are using it up like a tissue. In this moment it might feel like there will never be a time that nobody gives a fuck about this shit, but it'll happen fast.
It also happened with environmentalism. The noble idea of protecting nature has been twisted into a mutant mockery of itself. The results of this are that if you want to destroy the planet, you follow what the environmentalists ask for. It'll result in a dead planet, a genocide, and all the money in the world sitting in their pockets.
If we run this twisted mockery of egalitarianism out of the room and let's say we push for absolute conservatism, racial purity, meritocracy all that -- the same people will just change their tune and start using up whatever ideology you care about like a tissue, twist it into something you grow to hate, and leave it useless on the ground. You might think you'd like this future, but you won't.
Instead of focusing on the specific tactics of the moment, you need to step back and see the whole board. Unless something is done to change their strategy, it will continue to succeed -- your most deeply held beliefs will be another casualty at the feet of the powermongers.
@WhiteTemplar @RoyalJohnny242 @AnonymousBosch @Glowberg_Fedstein @Shadowman311
History tells us that it won't be me or anyone like me wearing the boot.
It'll be some fuckhead with a funny hat and his best friends wearing the boots, and it would be a shame if I have anything negative to say about that because they've got a lovely wall to show me. If history is any indication, they'll force you to be mormon or some stupid shit. It definitely won't be based on merit, it'll be based on whoever was standing closest to the chair at the time.
For a bunch of people trying to protect their heritage, seems like there's an awful lot of people in this thread who want to ignore the history of the west and the reason why they had the best technology, the best art, basically invented industry, basically invented science, and had empires that spanned the entire globe. They'd prefer we run like some african dictatorship instead.
History tells us that it won't be me or anyone like me wearing the boot.
It'll be some fuckhead with a funny hat and his best friends wearing the boots, and it would be a shame if I have anything negative to say about that because they've got a lovely wall to show me. If history is any indication, they'll force you to be mormon or some stupid shit. It definitely won't be based on merit, it'll be based on whoever was standing closest to the chair at the time.
For a bunch of people trying to protect their heritage, seems like there's an awful lot of people in this thread who want to ignore the history of the west and the reason why they had the best technology, the best art, basically invented industry, basically invented science, and had empires that spanned the entire globe. They'd prefer we run like some african dictatorship instead.
@Glowberg_Fedstein @Shadowman311 Authoritarianism is a roll of the wheel of misery. The commies optimistically think they'll win the roll, so do the national socialists.
Neither of them seem particularly interested in leaving more liberal countries to move to the existing authoritarian regimes, oddly enough.
Neither of them seem particularly interested in leaving more liberal countries to move to the existing authoritarian regimes, oddly enough.
Have to admit, I'm shocked at how much moderation drama there is on a platform that explicitly lets you just start your own instance if you don't like the mods. And if some other community blocks you? Well then I guess you're blocked. That's their community and you have yours, and it's a great big wide world.
@Shadowman311 What's the point of winning if you just end up with a different boot on your neck?
Might as well just book a ticket to greenland at that point. Definitely shouldn't make the mistake the dumb leftists make that they'll be the ones not being oppressed if only "their guys" get into power.
Might as well just book a ticket to greenland at that point. Definitely shouldn't make the mistake the dumb leftists make that they'll be the ones not being oppressed if only "their guys" get into power.
@mcduquesne @PestToast That's not a bad idea either.
The level of server to run your own services well isn't high, but the cost to get a provider to give you what you need without harassing you goes up quickly.
I used third party hosting for years. The final straw for me was when my nextcloud kept on getting maxxed out and the host sent me an email threatening me with suspension unless I paid a bunch more money. I just said "go ahead and close the account." and I've never looked back. I guarantee you I wouldn't be running this many services on whatever they were proposing.
The level of server to run your own services well isn't high, but the cost to get a provider to give you what you need without harassing you goes up quickly.
I used third party hosting for years. The final straw for me was when my nextcloud kept on getting maxxed out and the host sent me an email threatening me with suspension unless I paid a bunch more money. I just said "go ahead and close the account." and I've never looked back. I guarantee you I wouldn't be running this many services on whatever they were proposing.
@Aleums That's the gayest. Straight people cast off their skin, soak it in piss and make it leather so they can sew it into clothes.
Spent quite a bit of time securing searx so I can put it on the public instance list. One thing that has taken quite a bit of time is figuring out how to configure my apache to present a secure interface. Here's what I came up with, maybe it'll help someone else setting up searx in the future. I got an A+ on mozilla's tester with this configuration.
<IfModule mod_headers.c>
Header always set X-Robots-Tag none
header always set Strict-Transport-Security "max-age=63072000; includeSubDomains; preload"
header always set Content-Security-Policy "default-src 'none'; style-src-elem https://search.fbxl.net/static/; img-src https://search.fbxl.net/image_proxy https://search.fbxl.net/static/themes/; script-src-elem https://search.fbxl.net/static/js/ https://search.fbxl.net/static/themes/oscar/js/ https://search.fbxl.net/static/plugins/js/; font-src https://search.fbxl.net/static/fonts/; frame-src https://video.fbxl.net/;base-uri 'self'; style-src https://search.fbxl.net/ 'self' 'unsafe-inline'; form-action 'self'; frame-ancestors 'none'"
header always set X-Frame-Options DENY
</IfModule>
<IfModule mod_headers.c>
Header always set X-Robots-Tag none
header always set Strict-Transport-Security "max-age=63072000; includeSubDomains; preload"
header always set Content-Security-Policy "default-src 'none'; style-src-elem https://search.fbxl.net/static/; img-src https://search.fbxl.net/image_proxy https://search.fbxl.net/static/themes/; script-src-elem https://search.fbxl.net/static/js/ https://search.fbxl.net/static/themes/oscar/js/ https://search.fbxl.net/static/plugins/js/; font-src https://search.fbxl.net/static/fonts/; frame-src https://video.fbxl.net/;base-uri 'self'; style-src https://search.fbxl.net/ 'self' 'unsafe-inline'; form-action 'self'; frame-ancestors 'none'"
header always set X-Frame-Options DENY
</IfModule>