@wjmaggos @isaac yes, the point is that it just needs to reduce the number of new infections per infected person. If it is above a certain point then it will continue to propagate. If it is below a certain number then it will die out. Vaccines that are only partially effective still act to reduce that number. For that matter, populations that are only partially vaccinated reduce that number on a statistical basis as well, and in fact modelling of herd immunity takes both vaccine efficacy and vaccine proliferation into account.
"Herd immunity" doesn't mean everyone is immune, it means that it won't spread easily within a population because enough people are immune enough to stop the spread of the disease.
"Herd immunity" doesn't mean everyone is immune, it means that it won't spread easily within a population because enough people are immune enough to stop the spread of the disease.
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@isaac @wjmaggos you've got the wrong guy I'd you think I'm spouting propaganda.
I've been pretty consistently skeptical about all of this, but my core thing is finding truth.
Finding truth has been more difficult because the powers that be lie at every juncture, and brazenly. The most brazen example is faucis flip flop on masks. He said they didn't help but later that they do, and admitted that he lied specifically because he didn't want people using masks that doctors could be using.
Fact is, herd immunity is a theory that existed long before covid existed. If we pretend it didn't because it doesn't suit the narrative then we aren't seeking truth anymore.
It should be straightforward enough, we have enough data to know what R0 is, we know how many people have gotten vaccines, so at that point we can determine what level of effecacy the vaccines would require to say we have herd immunity now
1-1/ R0 is the equation. You need to get the number of new infections per infection below 1 to have herd immunity. R0 will be different from place to place because practices are different, but it's measurable.
I've been pretty consistently skeptical about all of this, but my core thing is finding truth.
Finding truth has been more difficult because the powers that be lie at every juncture, and brazenly. The most brazen example is faucis flip flop on masks. He said they didn't help but later that they do, and admitted that he lied specifically because he didn't want people using masks that doctors could be using.
Fact is, herd immunity is a theory that existed long before covid existed. If we pretend it didn't because it doesn't suit the narrative then we aren't seeking truth anymore.
It should be straightforward enough, we have enough data to know what R0 is, we know how many people have gotten vaccines, so at that point we can determine what level of effecacy the vaccines would require to say we have herd immunity now
1-1/ R0 is the equation. You need to get the number of new infections per infection below 1 to have herd immunity. R0 will be different from place to place because practices are different, but it's measurable.