@search_social @Leitis @NEETzsche @leyonhjelm @mushroom_soup @racism_man tbf, he's right.
The purpose of "STEM" is pointing at specific roles that are important in an organization for certain reasons.
Art is important, and I'd argue there is an element of art in STEM, but ultimately the roles in an organization are different. Scientists, technologists, engineers, and mathematicians do live in one wheelhouse where the artists live in another.
Scientists use tools the mathematicians put together, engineers use the tools the scientists put together, technologists use tools the engineers put together.
The workflow is quite different between doing art and doing STEM. Notably, in art there is no objectively wrong answer, but in STEM there is.
The sort of person who does great engineering might not be well catered to doing things on the more artistic side of things. The temperament of someone doing engineering or technology as a vocation is quite different than the temperament of someone doing art as a vocation.
To give an idea, you could take someone with training as a scientist, engineer, technologist, and possibly even a mathematician(That one may be borderline since it's more abstract) and put them into a technical role along the same spectrum successfully. To take someone with training as an artist and put them into a similar role would not be successful because they don't have the tools for the job.
Leonardo da Vinci may have done some engineering, but it's notable that most artists did not. That's one of the things that makes da Vinci exceptional, the fact that he's an exception.
The purpose of "STEM" is pointing at specific roles that are important in an organization for certain reasons.
Art is important, and I'd argue there is an element of art in STEM, but ultimately the roles in an organization are different. Scientists, technologists, engineers, and mathematicians do live in one wheelhouse where the artists live in another.
Scientists use tools the mathematicians put together, engineers use the tools the scientists put together, technologists use tools the engineers put together.
The workflow is quite different between doing art and doing STEM. Notably, in art there is no objectively wrong answer, but in STEM there is.
The sort of person who does great engineering might not be well catered to doing things on the more artistic side of things. The temperament of someone doing engineering or technology as a vocation is quite different than the temperament of someone doing art as a vocation.
To give an idea, you could take someone with training as a scientist, engineer, technologist, and possibly even a mathematician(That one may be borderline since it's more abstract) and put them into a technical role along the same spectrum successfully. To take someone with training as an artist and put them into a similar role would not be successful because they don't have the tools for the job.
Leonardo da Vinci may have done some engineering, but it's notable that most artists did not. That's one of the things that makes da Vinci exceptional, the fact that he's an exception.
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@search_social Actually didn't at all.
You're sitting there talking about specific skills like that has anything to do with anything. A chip designer can transition into wiring houses, and a house wirer can often transition into chip design. It would surprise you how often stuff like this happens. (Arguably, the skilled trades are a different thing than STEM mind you, but good skilled tradesmen are often better technologists than technologists)
The core isn't about some specific skill, and the fact that you draw a picture doesn't make you an artist or the thing you're producing art. That's a superficial viewpoint.
Most arty people I know would die if they had to live in the technical world, and most technical people I know would die if they had to live in the art world. They're just different things, and require different attitudes and enjoying different things.
It's like the difference between technical writing and literary writing. If you use one method to do the other thing, then you're going to fail. They're not the same thing, even if they look the same because they both use words.
I'm going to pretend you didn't try to blame the decisions of a third type of person altogether on STEM folks because they aren't arty enough.
You're sitting there talking about specific skills like that has anything to do with anything. A chip designer can transition into wiring houses, and a house wirer can often transition into chip design. It would surprise you how often stuff like this happens. (Arguably, the skilled trades are a different thing than STEM mind you, but good skilled tradesmen are often better technologists than technologists)
The core isn't about some specific skill, and the fact that you draw a picture doesn't make you an artist or the thing you're producing art. That's a superficial viewpoint.
Most arty people I know would die if they had to live in the technical world, and most technical people I know would die if they had to live in the art world. They're just different things, and require different attitudes and enjoying different things.
It's like the difference between technical writing and literary writing. If you use one method to do the other thing, then you're going to fail. They're not the same thing, even if they look the same because they both use words.
I'm going to pretend you didn't try to blame the decisions of a third type of person altogether on STEM folks because they aren't arty enough.