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Hot take: Engineering students who cannot grasp the concept of "files and folders" and only understands their phone's storage structure

THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO RECEIVE THEIR ENGINEERING DEGREES.

Fail them. Tell them to go take remedial computer class at the local elementary school.

@r000t I've said repeatedly: People think that kids are good with technology because they can surf facebook or youtube really well. That is NOT being good with technology.

Yes, if they can't do something as basic as open a file, then it's time to fail them and force them to learn. It isn't magic, it isn't impossible, it isn't even hard. But it is essential and if you let someone pass without knowing this then you've failed them.
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@r000t class requirements are everywhere, why isn't basic computer literacy on any of them?

@f0x @r000t Because you would annihilate 60% of your students and universities want their tuition money.

@phnt @f0x they could make even more money on mandatory remedial computer classes, and I'm also p sure the remedial classes happen outside the normal cadence of a semester specifically so you can get them done before one starts

which means a) it's not cannibalizing the other classes one would need b) they can use the classic "you don't have a whole lot of time" sales tactic

@bajax but here's the thing, he's right.

While I firmly believe in Human Behavior Is Incentives (which is why millennials *do* know how to use a computer), if you want to sell the most units of something, you need to make it as seamless and easy as possible, because the reality is that most people are fucking stupid outside of *maybe* a few fields they specialize in.

"If you can make a stupid person feel smart, they will give you all of their money" --asmongold

@bajax We're currently at this crossroads with AgentV3N.

Because the **ONLY** way to interact with the server is through the API, the desktop GUI client is also the debugging interface. Which means it receives and must display data that would frighten and intimidate an end user, simply by cluttering the screen.

So we're tucking some things behind a toggle and we're separating others out entirely into modules that only get built with the client for developers.

And it's still not simple enough. Our "never used an LLM before" testers just keep using it wrong and clicking on the advanced tools. And here's the problem: That's entirely our fault. We're unironically the bad guys here. If I am to charge a user monthly for this and ask them to go out of their way to install it on their computer, they need to feel like they're Batman/Iron Man as soon as possible. They way they first think "okay I guess this is how it works" needs to be *precisely* how it works, because that will make them feel like they made a good decision in giving me money.

And in making this client so simple, a new question comes up: How do we put all these nice things back in for power users? And for a couple of reasons, not just UX, we're looking at having a "workstation" client that looks like TempleOS running on the cockpit of a 787 Dreamliner, so autists don't feel like they're using a Mac

@r000t @f0x The effect of having a high percentage of remedial computer classes might influence future students to go elsewhere and the university eventually loosing potential revenue. There's probably some math that could give a rough estimate of that, but that flies way over my head.

If computer literacy requirements for classes were too increase, it would have to be done everywhere.

@phnt @r000t tldr: everything bad is explained by planned obsolescence (for profit). fuck this gay earth

@f0x @r000t honestly I think it's because we have trouble changing our culture fast enough. It's why the public school system still seems to want to train people for repetitive factory work despite that not even being the main type of job out there anymore.

@bajax @r000t not applicable because all of the classes people are missing were taken out on purpose because people were becoming too self sufficient

@f0x @r000t totally plausible, but do we have proof of this or is it just a "the purpose of a system is what it does" kinda thing?

@bajax @r000t [computer classes are implemented into basic and primary classes, same with home ec.] --[funding "drops" (improper allocation of taxes)]---> [Home ec dropped entirely, computer classes now become extracurricular if included at all (very rare, and when included are funded by malicious vendors that teach only their stupid fucking system)]

@f0x @r000t well damn I haven't heard anything about this. so they actually REDUCED the requirements for basic computer literacy? I'm researching this mess