Problem is they based authoritarian policy on the premise that the vaccine would stop covid and end covid. They treated people with legitimate concerns about taking a barely tested experimental drug like supervillains who were singularly responsible for continuing horrible authoritarian control of individuals lives, that if only that last 15% would lie back and think of England it'd all be over.
I wasn't opposed to the rapid development of the vaccine or making it widely available. Lying continuously about it's effects and risks was evil, as was the policy actions they took.
I wasn't opposed to the rapid development of the vaccine or making it widely available. Lying continuously about it's effects and risks was evil, as was the policy actions they took.
No other vaccine used the same technology, so of course there were more risks. Instead of using tried and true vaccine technologies, the drug companies took the opportunity to use this new technology for the first time ever. Most vaccines operate by presenting the body with either weakened viruses or parts of a virus that has been destroyed. By contrast, mRNA vaccines operate by having your own body assemble pieces of the virus, then your immune system attacks those cells with the foreign proteins that the vaccine induced them to create. It should be self-evident that there are different risks involved between introducing a weakened or dead virus into the body and having the body manufacture pieces of a virus and attack itself.
When I took the vaccine, I did so fully aware of the fact that there were different risks, but at the time governments around the world worked with communications providers to suppress information about those risks. When I got covid later, huh it turns out that despite their claims of 90% protection pretty much everyone who got the shot also got covid!
The politicians around the world violated people's basic human rights by shutting down any speech that didn't follow exactly what they wanted said. Anyone who believes in liberal values who lived through the pandemic came out the other side with their faith in virtually every institution destroyed. And you will never make me forget that people's ability to pay for food, to pay their mortgage, to support their families was taken away by my government for having the gall to demand policies that the same government ended up implementing a mere eight months later. All the while people like me were called racist sexist misogynistic transphobic homophobic American Russian bots, again, for demanding policies that the exact same government would implement eight months later.
I will never forget that. I will never forget that my donation to a charitable cause I believed in was reversed twice under the pressure of government under no law. I will never forget that politicians who opposed the status quo were arrested.
My grandfather fought in world war II to oppose tyranny, and those same countries that he fought for around the world spit on his grave. If you ever want to know if the Holocaust could happen today, we just proved that it can at any time.
When I took the vaccine, I did so fully aware of the fact that there were different risks, but at the time governments around the world worked with communications providers to suppress information about those risks. When I got covid later, huh it turns out that despite their claims of 90% protection pretty much everyone who got the shot also got covid!
The politicians around the world violated people's basic human rights by shutting down any speech that didn't follow exactly what they wanted said. Anyone who believes in liberal values who lived through the pandemic came out the other side with their faith in virtually every institution destroyed. And you will never make me forget that people's ability to pay for food, to pay their mortgage, to support their families was taken away by my government for having the gall to demand policies that the same government ended up implementing a mere eight months later. All the while people like me were called racist sexist misogynistic transphobic homophobic American Russian bots, again, for demanding policies that the exact same government would implement eight months later.
I will never forget that. I will never forget that my donation to a charitable cause I believed in was reversed twice under the pressure of government under no law. I will never forget that politicians who opposed the status quo were arrested.
My grandfather fought in world war II to oppose tyranny, and those same countries that he fought for around the world spit on his grave. If you ever want to know if the Holocaust could happen today, we just proved that it can at any time.
You don't seem to remember a whole lot about the pandemic. People who weren't getting vaccinated were being referred to in the same way that you might talk about an insect infestation or rodents. The rhetoric was downright genocidal. Our prime minister asked whether we should continue to "tolerate these people" and ominously ask whether we should allow them to continue to "take up space". We were talking about a head tax for those people in some areas. In australia, they were literally being rounded up and sent to concentration camps. In the meantime, the government lockdowns were being entirely blamed on the unvaccinated, even in places where most people were vaccinated. (Of course, the establishment media in the pocket of government will tell you that yes the camps exist, and yes they're there to concentrate people who are more likely to get covid, but they're totally not covid concentration camps)
Go figure, clinical trials run by companies that stood to make billions of dollars ended up finding exactly what those companies wanted to find. If you'd like, I can dig up all of the studies sponsored by cigarette companies that say that cigarettes don't cause cancer.
By the way, let's not forget here that the entire process was streamlined via Trump's Operation Warpspeed. They didn't run the same testing as they would on any other vaccine, that's why they were able to get it done in less than a year rather than the 10 years it normally takes to have a vaccine approved. It takes 9 months to make a baby. It does not matter how many women you put on the job, or how many men you put on the job, it takes 9 months to make a baby. It doesn't matter how much money you put into the process, it takes 9 months to make a baby. Similarly, it takes a long-term to complete long-term studies. The other thing that you need is the freedom to speak truth. If you wanted to end your career in medicine, a really good way it would be opposing the official narrative on covid. The massive corruption in medical science was on full display for all to see.
That moving of the goal posts that you're supporting here is required because of the expedited schedule and reduced testing. There were no long-term tests, so they didn't know how long protection was going to last, they didn't know what the long-term effects could be. "Just get two doses of the vaccine and covid will be beaten" has now turned into "get a shot every 3 months"
I keep on bringing up stuff that actually happened, and you keep on saying that you don't remember it. How about this 2020 article that said the vaccine is 95% effective? One of many.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/18/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-is-95percent-effective-plans-to-submit-to-fda-in-days.html
I'm afraid that given the authoritarian measures taken, you can't separate what you remember from the political. Not when all of the news organizations and all of the social media companies were directly being dictated policy by the government. That's the cost of authoritarianism. You want to control everything, you get all the credit and all the blame.
Go figure, clinical trials run by companies that stood to make billions of dollars ended up finding exactly what those companies wanted to find. If you'd like, I can dig up all of the studies sponsored by cigarette companies that say that cigarettes don't cause cancer.
By the way, let's not forget here that the entire process was streamlined via Trump's Operation Warpspeed. They didn't run the same testing as they would on any other vaccine, that's why they were able to get it done in less than a year rather than the 10 years it normally takes to have a vaccine approved. It takes 9 months to make a baby. It does not matter how many women you put on the job, or how many men you put on the job, it takes 9 months to make a baby. It doesn't matter how much money you put into the process, it takes 9 months to make a baby. Similarly, it takes a long-term to complete long-term studies. The other thing that you need is the freedom to speak truth. If you wanted to end your career in medicine, a really good way it would be opposing the official narrative on covid. The massive corruption in medical science was on full display for all to see.
That moving of the goal posts that you're supporting here is required because of the expedited schedule and reduced testing. There were no long-term tests, so they didn't know how long protection was going to last, they didn't know what the long-term effects could be. "Just get two doses of the vaccine and covid will be beaten" has now turned into "get a shot every 3 months"
I keep on bringing up stuff that actually happened, and you keep on saying that you don't remember it. How about this 2020 article that said the vaccine is 95% effective? One of many.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/18/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-is-95percent-effective-plans-to-submit-to-fda-in-days.html
I'm afraid that given the authoritarian measures taken, you can't separate what you remember from the political. Not when all of the news organizations and all of the social media companies were directly being dictated policy by the government. That's the cost of authoritarianism. You want to control everything, you get all the credit and all the blame.
>Making shit up
Oh yah?
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/08/26/australia-has-begun-building-covid-concentration-camps-n2594763
>Thinking their results could have been faked to a significant degree amounts to not much less than believing in the Illuminati.
Thinking that a situation where so many people had so much to gain from the favorable results couldn't possibly result in results that were faked to a significant degree amounts to believing in santa claus and the easter bunny.
>Maybe you should learn to read more than just the headline of an article
Don't lie by structure if you don't want to be accused of deception.
>I'm too tired and agitated to deal with this level of bullshit.
Same. I'm done with this conversation.
"Durka durrrr I don't remember nothing! Nobody ever said anything! Oh, you proved what you said happened happened, often with sources that are hostile to your position? Well suddenly I'm a 300 IQ critical thinker who will do a deep dive on sources to prove you're ackshually wrong!"
yeah yeah yeah. Doesn't even matter anymore. After all, the authoritarians won. Congratulations, I hope you bake a nice state approved cake.
Oh yah?
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/08/26/australia-has-begun-building-covid-concentration-camps-n2594763
>Thinking their results could have been faked to a significant degree amounts to not much less than believing in the Illuminati.
Thinking that a situation where so many people had so much to gain from the favorable results couldn't possibly result in results that were faked to a significant degree amounts to believing in santa claus and the easter bunny.
>Maybe you should learn to read more than just the headline of an article
Don't lie by structure if you don't want to be accused of deception.
>I'm too tired and agitated to deal with this level of bullshit.
Same. I'm done with this conversation.
"Durka durrrr I don't remember nothing! Nobody ever said anything! Oh, you proved what you said happened happened, often with sources that are hostile to your position? Well suddenly I'm a 300 IQ critical thinker who will do a deep dive on sources to prove you're ackshually wrong!"
yeah yeah yeah. Doesn't even matter anymore. After all, the authoritarians won. Congratulations, I hope you bake a nice state approved cake.
And I'll give you that they weren't rounding up the unvaccinated, but you get to a certain point where the audacious abuses of power put anything on the table. The camps did exist, they bragged about it. They were threatening to cut off unvaxxed from the economy altogether, to keep unvaxxed lockdowns in place for years. There was just a tiiiiiiiiny line they hadn't crossed yet, but they did cross all those other lines.
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Politicians wanted to use what appeared to be the biggest crisis ever to gain more power. The more power they have, the more they can sell favors. The more they can sell favors, the richer they get.
May politicians increased their net worth by orders of magnitude during the pandemic.
May politicians increased their net worth by orders of magnitude during the pandemic.
Not just vaxes but lockdowns.
https://susankatzkeating.com/doug-ford-net-worth-age-height/
"Ford’s net worth in 2022 is believed to be around $50 million. What is surprising is the fact that it jumped more than 15 times from his $3 million recorded net worth in 2019. During Covid-19 pandemic his net worth increased as well."
https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-net-worth-nearly-doubled-154225312.html
"Fauci’s Net Worth Nearly Doubled during Pandemic"
https://freebeacon.com/democrats/the-stock-market-made-nancy-pelosi-rich-now-she-wants-to-ban-her-colleagues-from-trading/
"The speaker also reaped a significant return during the COVID-19 pandemic, seeing her estimated net worth jump from $106 million in 2019 to $171.4 million in 2021, an increase of 60 percent."
You don't double your money on a new prophylactic rotavirus vaccine. You double your money by shutting down the entire productive economy and holding it hostage until your demands are met.
https://susankatzkeating.com/doug-ford-net-worth-age-height/
"Ford’s net worth in 2022 is believed to be around $50 million. What is surprising is the fact that it jumped more than 15 times from his $3 million recorded net worth in 2019. During Covid-19 pandemic his net worth increased as well."
https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-net-worth-nearly-doubled-154225312.html
"Fauci’s Net Worth Nearly Doubled during Pandemic"
https://freebeacon.com/democrats/the-stock-market-made-nancy-pelosi-rich-now-she-wants-to-ban-her-colleagues-from-trading/
"The speaker also reaped a significant return during the COVID-19 pandemic, seeing her estimated net worth jump from $106 million in 2019 to $171.4 million in 2021, an increase of 60 percent."
You don't double your money on a new prophylactic rotavirus vaccine. You double your money by shutting down the entire productive economy and holding it hostage until your demands are met.