What if I told you that aerospace engineering and physics were two majors with the worst unemployment rates?
According to data from the New York federal reserve it's true, making them the 8th and 4th worst majors for getting a job.
It's important not to just yell "STEM! STEM! STEM!" because there's more to career success than just doing a science.
What matters isn't the designation of the field, it's whether you can use the education to find a job in a place you're willing to work and at a wage you're willing to accept.
According to data from the New York federal reserve it's true, making them the 8th and 4th worst majors for getting a job.
It's important not to just yell "STEM! STEM! STEM!" because there's more to career success than just doing a science.
What matters isn't the designation of the field, it's whether you can use the education to find a job in a place you're willing to work and at a wage you're willing to accept.
Thank the Gods AI will render human labor redundant soon
@sj_zero As a society, we don't need everybody to go to college. Even like 30% is completely excessive.
I think you're right. We have so many people at desks when what we really need is boots on the ground doing stuff.
Really annoying when you have a whole chain of command above one guy who actually does the work.
Really annoying when you have a whole chain of command above one guy who actually does the work.
@caekislove
College/university is a club. Not a training program and not an education. It used to also include education before the rabble could enroll.
@sj_zero
College/university is a club. Not a training program and not an education. It used to also include education before the rabble could enroll.
@sj_zero
Many colleges are lowering standards and removing hard to pass classes because disparate impact n-sheeit.
college used to have value because it taught certain people specific skills for their professions
then it had value because it was hard to get into and therefore proved earnestness and acumen
then it had value because employers could see you had the ability to sit still for four years
now it has value because we said so
There is one element of value that college still holds: it's the last chance to immerse yourself in an environment of like-minded, high-value members of the opposite sex and perhaps secure marriage.
then it had value because it was hard to get into and therefore proved earnestness and acumen
then it had value because employers could see you had the ability to sit still for four years
now it has value because we said so
There is one element of value that college still holds: it's the last chance to immerse yourself in an environment of like-minded, high-value members of the opposite sex and perhaps secure marriage.
@ChadleyDudebro @sj_zero Yeah. A college degree today is worth less than a high school diploma was worth 50 years ago.
Well, it puts you in debt, if you weren't already and makes you a nigger to the system for life.
@caekislove @sj_zero >As a society, we don't need everybody to go to college. Even like 30% is completely excessive.
college should only be for scientists, engineers, and surgeons. lawyers shouldn't exist because the laws should be simple, uncontradictory, and easy to understand.
college should only be for scientists, engineers, and surgeons. lawyers shouldn't exist because the laws should be simple, uncontradictory, and easy to understand.
I suspect they have misplaced my master promissory note. I signed that on paper 20 years ago and Iāve had three servicers since. Itās dangerous to put that to the test if you ever want to borrow money again.
@GrungeQueef @caekislove @sj_zero The number of "and he did it all... without ever going to college/finishing high school" lines in documentaries is always a laugh. People really think inventing something or learning some very technical engineering task without college is magic.
Which isn't to shit on the value of cataloguing and communicating advancements or general knowledge in a field. That's vital. But having the book read to you and doing a test on said book is slow and almost always too abstract to be useful to anyone.
Which isn't to shit on the value of cataloguing and communicating advancements or general knowledge in a field. That's vital. But having the book read to you and doing a test on said book is slow and almost always too abstract to be useful to anyone.
One big problem is that people mistake the map for the territory. They think the degree matters, but what matters is the competence the degree represents, and as the competence is erased, so is the use of a degree, and as they stop being useful it'll stop being used.
I talk a lot about 13 high schools in Baltimore failing to have a single student at grade level among graduates. If there are no students who can read, write, or do math at grade level, there should be no graduates. Fail the failing students, don't give them a diploma if they're failing to meet the standard. Simple as that.
Instead, they're graduating students from high school who can't do the work at a grade school level. At that point, why even care about a high school diploma? Just give them a high school diploma in grade 3 and be done with it.
Of course, it's a cargo cult. "Successful people have diplomas and degrees so if we have diplomas and degrees we'll be successful" -- in the past that was true, but in the past those people could read and write and do math. Just like building a radar dish out of bamboo and grass is a waste of time, so is a high school diploma for someone who is functionally illiterate.
I talk a lot about 13 high schools in Baltimore failing to have a single student at grade level among graduates. If there are no students who can read, write, or do math at grade level, there should be no graduates. Fail the failing students, don't give them a diploma if they're failing to meet the standard. Simple as that.
Instead, they're graduating students from high school who can't do the work at a grade school level. At that point, why even care about a high school diploma? Just give them a high school diploma in grade 3 and be done with it.
Of course, it's a cargo cult. "Successful people have diplomas and degrees so if we have diplomas and degrees we'll be successful" -- in the past that was true, but in the past those people could read and write and do math. Just like building a radar dish out of bamboo and grass is a waste of time, so is a high school diploma for someone who is functionally illiterate.
@sj_zero @s2208 @ChadleyDudebro
At that point, why even care about a high school diploma? Just give them a high school diploma in grade 3 and be done with it.
There's "anti-racist" activists around here proposing literally that. Because making nigkids attend class is raciss an sheeit
@sj_zero @caekislove @ChadleyDudebro @s2208
Unfortunately for a lot of the word, possibly the majority, a person with a piece of paper is worth more to them than someone with the skills. That's the culture our parents and current generation deliberately created. Mainly because universities like to make money (and now ideological useful idiots) more than offer the education students are actually paying for.
Unfortunately for a lot of the word, possibly the majority, a person with a piece of paper is worth more to them than someone with the skills. That's the culture our parents and current generation deliberately created. Mainly because universities like to make money (and now ideological useful idiots) more than offer the education students are actually paying for.
@toiletpaper @sj_zero @ChadleyDudebro @s2208 There's so many warm bodies chasing every job opening that requiring a degree is a nice way to immediately put 1/3 of the application pile in the round file.
@caekislove @ChadleyDudebro @s2208 @sj_zero
I'm self taught. I've occasionally applied for IT work requiring a degree (and got one or two), but usually I consider that a red flag indicating an IT department which doesn't understand the hacker mindset and thus will be a waste of time and needless stress to spend my years with.
I'm self taught. I've occasionally applied for IT work requiring a degree (and got one or two), but usually I consider that a red flag indicating an IT department which doesn't understand the hacker mindset and thus will be a waste of time and needless stress to spend my years with.
@toiletpaper @sj_zero @caekislove @ChadleyDudebro @s2208 And to make matters worse the schools can now charge anything they want for this "education" as they will get paid and the goobermint will hold the debt. Even when the schools fail at their job and graduate a bunch of retards.
My family could not afford to send me to college. I've learned how to do my job(s) literally on the job.
And now some lazy cunt wants the government to forgive their $100K loan for their degree in underwater lesbian basket weaving?
My family could not afford to send me to college. I've learned how to do my job(s) literally on the job.
And now some lazy cunt wants the government to forgive their $100K loan for their degree in underwater lesbian basket weaving?
@TactlessWookie @caekislove @ChadleyDudebro @s2208 @sj_zero
My parents were pissed when I decided not to finish Uni. Not sure if they understand yet, but at least in the career path I chose, and having to mentor Compsci graduates on the job a few times, I have no regrets.
PS. Didn't take compsci in school though. Took a year of philosophy. Til I was working at a callcenter in teh evenings to make ends meet and had 2 guys both with their masters degrees sitting beside me making the same min-wage.
My parents were pissed when I decided not to finish Uni. Not sure if they understand yet, but at least in the career path I chose, and having to mentor Compsci graduates on the job a few times, I have no regrets.
PS. Didn't take compsci in school though. Took a year of philosophy. Til I was working at a callcenter in teh evenings to make ends meet and had 2 guys both with their masters degrees sitting beside me making the same min-wage.
"haaaalp! I got a phd but can't calculate that if I make minimum payments on my student loans for 600 years I will still have the same student loans I started with! I need the working class to pay my loans instead by taking out government debt that I don't intend to ever see paid down!"
You guys sure you don't want some of this here Canadian healthcare?
You guys sure you don't want some of this here Canadian healthcare?
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@caekislove @toiletpaper @sj_zero @ChadleyDudebro @s2208 A better way to thin the herd would be to secretly prohibit a degree. Any resume with a degree on it gets quietly thrown in the bit bucket. People smart enough to avoid the debt and brainwashing are better employees in net.
@gentoobro @toiletpaper @sj_zero @ChadleyDudebro @s2208 But as an employer you want people up to their eyeballs in debt because they'll take so much more bullshit before quitting.
@caekislove @toiletpaper @sj_zero @ChadleyDudebro @s2208 As an employer, you want people who are happy and healthy and aren't just waiting for a better job to come by.
But for that you have to treat your employees right, starting with good pay and no bullshit.
But for that you have to treat your employees right, starting with good pay and no bullshit.
There are many kinds of bosses in the world, it's a shame a lot of them suck.
But I think people working with a good boss would often accept working hard and will not want to leave the moment they get offered another dollar.
But I think people working with a good boss would often accept working hard and will not want to leave the moment they get offered another dollar.