Now that Israel has shown, bombing embassies is perfectly alright, and there has been little criticism from the EU and the US, Equador carries out an armed attack against the Mexican embassy in Quito and removes a refugee by force to throw him in jail.
I look forward to US and EU diplomats criticizing this attack, and Equador replying, “What do you mean? We did not bomb an embassy… that was your ally Israel!”
When we do not uphold international law, anarchy ensues.
@KarlHeinzHasliP @randahl Yeah, those bombings are war crimes, not anarchy. Anarchy would be far kinder.
@courtcan @KarlHeinzHasliP @randahl The problem is that the same word has two completely different meanings in different usages. There's the sort of anarchy in which structures of authority are unnecessary, which is positive... and then there's the sort of anarchy in which structures of authority are necessary but broken or missing, which is not positive at all.
@cy @admitsWrongIfProven @Hyolobrika a year or so ago in Warsaw one anarchist squat got invaded by another anarchist squat and kicked out of their place. Anarchy doesn't work even between small groups consisting entirely of the minority of people believing in and willing to support anarchy.
https://anarchistnews.org/content/radio-warsaw-attack-queer-feminist-syrena-squat-end-2021
https://syrena.org/en/oswiadczenie-ack-warszawa-w-sprawie-ataku-na-sklot-syrena/
So, state funded homophobic propaganda convinced one group of anarchists to go ape on a bunch of queers. Meanwhile other anarchist groups in Poland condemn the action, and they aren't violently attacking each other for funsies, but they don't get on the news. It's not like humans going apeshit is something special to anarchist groups. You could even argue it shows anarchy works, even when what they work to do is gay bashing.
Anyway not saying you're wrong. Just wanted a clearer idea of what you were talking about.
@cy yeah they condemn the action, waving a finger is known to work very well at punishing the attackers and dissuading future attacks. If only they had some form of democratically governed force dedicated to actually stopping and punishing attacks of aggressive groups…
@cy also while I’m not directly connected to the community or the particular cases, I know from friends who are that the issue wasn’t as simple as “bad state propaganda caused one group to go rogue” which is what anarchist outlets like to push since it makes them look better. From what I remember it was mostly a case of a single malicious actor abusing the trust and hospitality of Syrena, and when they finally got kicked out, going to the other squat, whatever it was called, spreading lies and firing them up against them. Since it’s anarchists we’re talking about, they took things in their hands and attacked them instead of trying to resolve it in a civilised manner.
Also since it’s anarchists we’re talking about, as a punishment they, quoting the official statement you linked,
feel that we will not be able to cooperate or support the people who actively participated in the escalation of this situation and who attacked the Siren on December 5. This can only take place when these people voluntarily submit to the remedial process, bearing at the same time the full consequences of their behavior expressed in such a process.
I’m sure the perpetrators are very sad about this and will in fact personally show up to get punished out of their good will.
@admitsWrongIfProven @Hyolobrika @cy both are true, it doesn't work because of human nature. You're right about something being destroyed by people purporting to be with the thing not necessarily meaning it doesn't work. But in this case it's a failure to stop aggression between groups, something that is famously a huge vulnerability in any anarchist setting and does in fact prove they're incapable of solving the problem of one group choosing not to play nice. History generally call such good faith based communities "invaded", "occupied" and various forms of "victims", "losers" and "fallen"