@11112011
> wanna get into private fire brigades?
Yes.
> "climate change"
That is not what is causing the fires. We stopped brush clearing and controlled burns, because LAFD noticed that they get better press and larger budgets for doing the stupid helicopter drops.
> wanna get into private fire brigades?
Yes.
> "climate change"
That is not what is causing the fires. We stopped brush clearing and controlled burns, because LAFD noticed that they get better press and larger budgets for doing the stupid helicopter drops.
@fluffy @11112011
> how do we know this is true?
It's their policy. Years ago, they used to call sending in the helicopter to dump flame retardant a "CNN drop": it gave the news guys something to do, but it's not a particularly effective method. At some point around ten years back, they changed their policy, brush-clearing was almost eliminated and no more controlled burns. So brush piles up, there are more fires, the fires are worse, they start asking for more retrofitted Chinooks, budget goes up.
The hills have basically always caught fire here. It's been happening for so long that there's a species of pine here that drops cones that don't even open until they're burned, so that the seeds can take root when there's less competition. It's a dry area.
I'm a bit busy to dig up the specific figures and when it happened, but if I were to do this, I'd start by downloading the county budget breakdowns (they'll be somewhere; lacounty.gov will either have them or have links to where to find them) to figure out when it happened. (If the budget is a pain, helicopter ownership is public, so you could figure out which helicopters they own and when they were purchased, then check, like, FlightAware or something, see when the frequency of flights by LAFD-owned helicopters went up. They're big, two-rotor Chinooks that are retrofitted to do drops, so they are costly to maintain, meaning flight frequency impacts budget, and costly to procure, so size of the fleet is a good indicator.) The minutes from all of the county board meetings are public, obviously their press releases are public, so you could find them discussing the budget in there, I'd start around the time they got more helicopters and then work backwards through one or two wildfire breakouts (which would be the optimal time for them to ask for more money). I'm not sure where the LAFD department policies are hosted but that shouldn't be too hard to find (and might be mentioned in press releases). If you're used to navigating that kind of thing, I think it would take maybe an hour or two.
> how do we know this is true?
It's their policy. Years ago, they used to call sending in the helicopter to dump flame retardant a "CNN drop": it gave the news guys something to do, but it's not a particularly effective method. At some point around ten years back, they changed their policy, brush-clearing was almost eliminated and no more controlled burns. So brush piles up, there are more fires, the fires are worse, they start asking for more retrofitted Chinooks, budget goes up.
The hills have basically always caught fire here. It's been happening for so long that there's a species of pine here that drops cones that don't even open until they're burned, so that the seeds can take root when there's less competition. It's a dry area.
I'm a bit busy to dig up the specific figures and when it happened, but if I were to do this, I'd start by downloading the county budget breakdowns (they'll be somewhere; lacounty.gov will either have them or have links to where to find them) to figure out when it happened. (If the budget is a pain, helicopter ownership is public, so you could figure out which helicopters they own and when they were purchased, then check, like, FlightAware or something, see when the frequency of flights by LAFD-owned helicopters went up. They're big, two-rotor Chinooks that are retrofitted to do drops, so they are costly to maintain, meaning flight frequency impacts budget, and costly to procure, so size of the fleet is a good indicator.) The minutes from all of the county board meetings are public, obviously their press releases are public, so you could find them discussing the budget in there, I'd start around the time they got more helicopters and then work backwards through one or two wildfire breakouts (which would be the optimal time for them to ask for more money). I'm not sure where the LAFD department policies are hosted but that shouldn't be too hard to find (and might be mentioned in press releases). If you're used to navigating that kind of thing, I think it would take maybe an hour or two.
Gullible city folks who don't know how forests work think forest fires are caused by magic and worse that a one degree change in temperature in California is the same as a one degree change in the goddamn Arctic.
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@11112011 @p
you should probably write at least a brief sentence about what you mean when you post a link
try something like this (just making this up as an example):
>LAFD noticed[1] that they get better press and larger budgets for doing the stupid helicopter drops. The change happened in 2012, where the budget went from X to 5X following a large helicopter drop[2]. Every year after that, they did 10x the number of helicopter drops prior to 2012[3].
> 1. link
> 2. link
> 3. link
i don't expect you to do that much but i'm not even going to click on your link if you cannot even coherently state what's in there for me to look for.
zero chance i'm reading an entire web page if you can't spend ten seconds to say why you posted it
you should probably write at least a brief sentence about what you mean when you post a link
try something like this (just making this up as an example):
>LAFD noticed[1] that they get better press and larger budgets for doing the stupid helicopter drops. The change happened in 2012, where the budget went from X to 5X following a large helicopter drop[2]. Every year after that, they did 10x the number of helicopter drops prior to 2012[3].
> 1. link
> 2. link
> 3. link
i don't expect you to do that much but i'm not even going to click on your link if you cannot even coherently state what's in there for me to look for.
zero chance i'm reading an entire web page if you can't spend ten seconds to say why you posted it
@sj_zero @fluffy @11112011
> think forest fires are caused by magic
It turns out that they are caused by gender reveal parties.
07--dead_kennedys--forest_fire.m4
> think forest fires are caused by magic
It turns out that they are caused by gender reveal parties.
07--dead_kennedys--forest_fire.m4
@p @11112011 yes, i also guessed you could check in this way (see my longer reply to blitz). it seems like a very reasonable guess
but if you haven't checked those figures for yourself, isn't it just a guess? how can you say with confidence that this is what happened if you haven't checked that it's true? did you maybe check it years ago but have long since forgotten the actual numbers
but if you haven't checked those figures for yourself, isn't it just a guess? how can you say with confidence that this is what happened if you haven't checked that it's true? did you maybe check it years ago but have long since forgotten the actual numbers
@fluffy @11112011
> but if you haven't checked those figures for yourself, isn't it just a guess?
No, it is not a guess; I remember it happening.
> did you maybe check it years ago but have long since forgotten the actual numbers
Well, you hear them hold a press conference on the radio, they're doing this, they're not doing that, they want this.
> but if you haven't checked those figures for yourself, isn't it just a guess?
No, it is not a guess; I remember it happening.
> did you maybe check it years ago but have long since forgotten the actual numbers
Well, you hear them hold a press conference on the radio, they're doing this, they're not doing that, they want this.
@11112011 @fluffy Well, shit, it's pretty clear he's smarter than any president we've had during his tenure as the Premier of the Sovi^W^W^WPresident of the Russian Federation. I don't know why it's a headline if someone says he's smart or why the news acts like a scandal has happened if a football player says a thing or if someone points out that the president doesn't remember where he is.
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