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> Meta has caved to European regulators, and agreed to pause its plans to train AI models on EU users' Facebook and Instagram users' posts — a move that the social media giant said will delay its plans to launch Meta AI in the economic zone.
https://www.theregister.com/2024/06/14/meta_eu_privacy/

And nothing of value was lost for the people in the EU.

I feel like there's a good chance "pausing plans" will be irrelevant because they're probably already done...

@sj_zero I refuse to give into cynical nihilism of that sort.

Nothing nihilistic about thinking a giant company is lying.

@sj_zero it's pretty nihilistic to think this is "irrelevant".

It depends on your definition of nihilistic.

For me, nihilistim means a value system that is devoid of meaning, value, or sense. I don't think that that's fitting with what I'm saying at all.

My value system holds honesty as paramount, and I don't believe that meta is an honest company. Therefore, it is well within my non nihilistic value system to believe that even if they are saying that they are pausing a thing that nobody wants, there's absolutely no reason to believe that they're not doing it because they've already done it and they don't need to continue.

Has the legendary US President George W. Bush once said, "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." (A lot of zoomers don't remember this, but George W. Bush was in fact an idiot)

It's unassailable fact that meta just keeps on getting fined again and again for breaking the law when it comes to data, so it is stupid to trust them, not nihilistic to mistrust them. The right thing to do is to completely disregard meta, stop giving them data stop giving them patronage stop giving them money through your eyes on their advertisements,. And go all in on the fediverse, which is a free and open source social media Network you can post on your own hardware or on a posting plan you personally control.

In that sense, it's irrelevant because they're going to keep on doing it regardless of whether they lie about not doing it anymore or not, and to just keep on letting them is what's nihilistic. What would be the opposite would be to go do something about it like deleting your Facebook.

Which I did. Among many other things.

@sj_zero I never had a Facebook account, if that's where you want to go with that.

Mistrusting them is not nihilistic. Obviously they lie.

But them having to publicly say, truthfully or not, that they halted this project is still a win. It is still showing that they cannot just ignore the EU and its regulations willy-nilly. They need to *at least* pretend to comply.

That's not irrelevant. In fact, it's pretty meaningful. Shows where the pressure points are.

Given what they actually do, I still think that your viewpoint is more nihilistic than mine. A phyrric victory where nothing of consequence actually happens and they'll keep doing whatever they want because fines are just a cost of business is meaningful? Maybe in a universe without meaning, value, or sense. Especially if as I predicted they've already extracted the value out of the data and so even if they do exactly what they said they did they've already gotten what they need.

What would be meaningful wouldn't be to pause extracting data out of user data, it would be to back up and take out all the data that they've already used, which clearly from the wording of their statement they haven't done. It's like you steal the Hope diamond, and then you say "we will pause our diamond stealing plans from here on out" -- I mean, good for you, but you already have what you wanted...
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@sj_zero please point to where I said or implied this is enough, and that we should be completely satisfied with this outcome?