Some people don't understand why you'd want to ban ivf.
It is a sensible policy if you're anti baby murder and you consider a zygote a baby. IVF isn't a sniper shot, it's a shotgun blast. You create many many lives, most of whom will die, and if you succeed you dispose of the rest (aka you kill them).
You can think of it like having a baby like the Soviets took Berlin. Not really so moral when you look at it like that.
There's a lot of points on that line that are debatable of course. Even many pro-lifers are iffy on the earliest moments after birth. Do you really consider a baby a life worth protecting once the sperm has fertilized the egg and it hasn't even subdivided into a new cell yet? It's tougher to say than for a baby at 20 weeks who looks human and has a brain and functional internal organs.
I'm actually sort of torn myself. My own view isn't necessarily so clear. The tension is between the fact that a new life in terms of separate DNA comes to exist at conception and the fact that this alleged life is so far from being human at that point. My son at 10 weeks was obviously a growing human with so many human attributes, but a single cell is not so obviously human
It is a sensible policy if you're anti baby murder and you consider a zygote a baby. IVF isn't a sniper shot, it's a shotgun blast. You create many many lives, most of whom will die, and if you succeed you dispose of the rest (aka you kill them).
You can think of it like having a baby like the Soviets took Berlin. Not really so moral when you look at it like that.
There's a lot of points on that line that are debatable of course. Even many pro-lifers are iffy on the earliest moments after birth. Do you really consider a baby a life worth protecting once the sperm has fertilized the egg and it hasn't even subdivided into a new cell yet? It's tougher to say than for a baby at 20 weeks who looks human and has a brain and functional internal organs.
I'm actually sort of torn myself. My own view isn't necessarily so clear. The tension is between the fact that a new life in terms of separate DNA comes to exist at conception and the fact that this alleged life is so far from being human at that point. My son at 10 weeks was obviously a growing human with so many human attributes, but a single cell is not so obviously human
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It's a single undifferentiated cell.
I can definitely understand and appreciate the argument that it is all the stuff required to create a full human and so morally you should treat it as such, but looking at a cell there's noting particularly human about a particular undifferentiated cell. Even if you were a microbiologist I doubt you'd be able to look at the very first cell created after an egg is fertilized and go "oh yeah, that's a human right there" -- by contrast, as a baby grows out of that cell it becomes more and more human-like with all the attributes one considers when you think of a human such as hands, feet, a beating heart, and a brain.
I can definitely understand and appreciate the argument that it is all the stuff required to create a full human and so morally you should treat it as such, but looking at a cell there's noting particularly human about a particular undifferentiated cell. Even if you were a microbiologist I doubt you'd be able to look at the very first cell created after an egg is fertilized and go "oh yeah, that's a human right there" -- by contrast, as a baby grows out of that cell it becomes more and more human-like with all the attributes one considers when you think of a human such as hands, feet, a beating heart, and a brain.
And I won't disagree that that way of looking of things I spoke of is sort of a primitive monkey perspective. "ooh ooh ah ah it no baby it no look like baby"
Seeing my son on the ultrasound for the first time was a life changing moment for my monkey brain and so for it, that moment is important, but on a higher level it's difficult to dispute that the thing before it looks like a baby isn't already going to become that thing. The moment we choose to create a life should probably be the moment we treat that life as something worth protecting, and if we don't want to protect it then we shouldn't create it.
Seeing my son on the ultrasound for the first time was a life changing moment for my monkey brain and so for it, that moment is important, but on a higher level it's difficult to dispute that the thing before it looks like a baby isn't already going to become that thing. The moment we choose to create a life should probably be the moment we treat that life as something worth protecting, and if we don't want to protect it then we shouldn't create it.