Guys... He's almost at 109 in this arc.
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@BowsacNoodle @TatsuyaIshida Just flipped through the archives. It had a couple good moments, but still has the stink of Gen X Feminism on it.
Post-Trans Radical Feminists are alot of things, but they are not going to be committed anti-Semites. Jews were the primary architects of feminism, which they funded for the same reason that they funded the trans movement -- an attack on Christian families of European descent, especially on their fertility. By pushing the transing of children, that's a direct attack on the fertility of white children, rather than an indirect attack like feminism was.
They aren't going to come to that understanding, that they were simply an earlier model of the trans horrors they are witnessing now. They are just going to keep executing their golem programming and attack men and "the patriarchy", but they'll just occasionally lash out at the Jews for leaving them behind while they moved onto their new agenda.
Their anti-Semitism is a feeling akin to jilted lover who is jealous that they were left behind.
@vic @BowsacNoodle @TatsuyaIshida That "schism" has been happening for hundreds of years. The reality is that most modern whites who identify as atheists are entirely happy being shabbos goys, and doing the Jews work for them.
@grey @vic @BowsacNoodle @TatsuyaIshida The reality is that many modern whites who identify as christians do not hold serious convictions towards a deity and are simply talking the talk to get the (dwindling) benefits that it still provides.
@veff @vic @BowsacNoodle @TatsuyaIshida Yes, that was directly said by Christ himself (Matt 7:13-14).
Christianity is not a set of tools for social organization. That's a Marxist view, which is (cohencidentally) shared by all the pagan LARPers as well.
We already know that the world is going to get worse and worse until there's barely any true worshipers of Christ left (Luke 18:8). The idea that this fallen world can be perfected is a Jewish idea.
Related, despite the sequence being named after Judiasm, that sequence of the comic is extremely confused on what Jewish beliefs actually are, what Christian and Muslim beliefs are, and goes into a weird pagan LARP tailspin as well. It's like a Gen X liberal summarized all the bad and oppressive things they were told about religion during the Bush era, and slapped a Menorah on the guy saying it.
Christianity is not a set of tools for social organization. That's a Marxist view, which is (cohencidentally) shared by all the pagan LARPers as well.
We already know that the world is going to get worse and worse until there's barely any true worshipers of Christ left (Luke 18:8). The idea that this fallen world can be perfected is a Jewish idea.
Related, despite the sequence being named after Judiasm, that sequence of the comic is extremely confused on what Jewish beliefs actually are, what Christian and Muslim beliefs are, and goes into a weird pagan LARP tailspin as well. It's like a Gen X liberal summarized all the bad and oppressive things they were told about religion during the Bush era, and slapped a Menorah on the guy saying it.
@grey @vic @BowsacNoodle @TatsuyaIshida >Christianity is not a set of tools for social organization.
But it necessarily must also include that within itself, even if that's not the primary reason for existence. I'm not saying this from a cringe pagan LARP or anything- I wish I could still believe- but the idea that "perfecting" the fallen world is futile and that things only get better before they get worse foments the exact kind of anti-christ behavior we see from evangelicals.
I wrote a better explanation of my thoughts here:
poa.st/@veff/posts/AlaNO5nB5yqDSIipBA
But it necessarily must also include that within itself, even if that's not the primary reason for existence. I'm not saying this from a cringe pagan LARP or anything- I wish I could still believe- but the idea that "perfecting" the fallen world is futile and that things only get better before they get worse foments the exact kind of anti-christ behavior we see from evangelicals.
I wrote a better explanation of my thoughts here:
poa.st/@veff/posts/AlaNO5nB5yqDSIipBA
@veff @vic @BowsacNoodle @TatsuyaIshida Oh, I know it does contain within it a prescription for organizing society as a mirror of the organization of the heavens, but that would require a return to a monarchy and the abandonment of the masonic lie of democracy as an organizing principle of society. I'm not holding my breath.
Most american evangelicals gladly worship at the altar of democracy as much or more than they worship Christ. It's a demonic deception in it's entirety.
We can improve this world, and we should, not because this world is permanent or that we can perfect it, but out of love for the others in this world who are suffering.
Most american evangelicals gladly worship at the altar of democracy as much or more than they worship Christ. It's a demonic deception in it's entirety.
We can improve this world, and we should, not because this world is permanent or that we can perfect it, but out of love for the others in this world who are suffering.
"All life begins at conception". This is today's "Christianity", refusing to pick the fights they can actually win.
Instead of keeping an eye on their own damned and corrupt "churches" and the con-artists posing as "spiritual leaders" they go off to the "Holy Land" to fight Abortion.
Lucifer knew this part will be easy.
Instead of keeping an eye on their own damned and corrupt "churches" and the con-artists posing as "spiritual leaders" they go off to the "Holy Land" to fight Abortion.
Lucifer knew this part will be easy.
@FourOh-LLC @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida What's your point? Even if abortion isn't a perfect place to make a stand, it is still a battle that was fought with a coalition of Christians and successfully held at least one cultural line. I see three main things from this:
First, this reminds Christians that we can stand and push back rather than endlessly capitulating into oblivion. Second, this was the first modern win against unrestricted materialism in its march towards transhumanism— scientists are gay nerds and don't deserve to be in charge and instead should be shoved in lockers (literally and figurative). Third, this burned some cultural capital and milquetoast "Christians" fell away just as predicted by Christ and referenced by Grey above. Truthfully we do not want those people aligned with us if their appeasement has been the driving force in liberalizing Christianity (this ties in to the problem of the churches you mentioned), and severing their influence is a Linkola's Lifeboat situation. Pray that most of them will repent and recognize they were wrong and seek Christ and a RETVRN TØ TRÆDITIØN, but, if not, the remnant will remain and the faith will again grow from its smaller size.
First, this reminds Christians that we can stand and push back rather than endlessly capitulating into oblivion. Second, this was the first modern win against unrestricted materialism in its march towards transhumanism— scientists are gay nerds and don't deserve to be in charge and instead should be shoved in lockers (literally and figurative). Third, this burned some cultural capital and milquetoast "Christians" fell away just as predicted by Christ and referenced by Grey above. Truthfully we do not want those people aligned with us if their appeasement has been the driving force in liberalizing Christianity (this ties in to the problem of the churches you mentioned), and severing their influence is a Linkola's Lifeboat situation. Pray that most of them will repent and recognize they were wrong and seek Christ and a RETVRN TØ TRÆDITIØN, but, if not, the remnant will remain and the faith will again grow from its smaller size.
My point is that you cannot have it both ways. If Satan is about to have increased dominion over this fallen World you also must accept the fact that number of those who cannot be saved also increase.
Christians COULD have resounding Victories regarding Abortion. By compromising on heart-beat laws, by denying tax-funded abortions, and by cleaning up the Dictionary and separating "woman's health" from "abortion".
But Christians, being the religious zealots cannot do that, they must "thump on the Bible", make this into a duel to Death, and alienate Hindus, Buddhist, Jews, the atheist and the indifferent - who otherwise would agree with religion-free, purely academic arguments over the issue.
Christians COULD have resounding Victories regarding Abortion. By compromising on heart-beat laws, by denying tax-funded abortions, and by cleaning up the Dictionary and separating "woman's health" from "abortion".
But Christians, being the religious zealots cannot do that, they must "thump on the Bible", make this into a duel to Death, and alienate Hindus, Buddhist, Jews, the atheist and the indifferent - who otherwise would agree with religion-free, purely academic arguments over the issue.
Today we live in the Epoch of Activism. Religious activism is the same putrid self-appointed unauthentic social upheaval as intellectual, political, environmental Activism. "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions", and all these activists are traveling down that road - including the non-compromising "life begins at conception" religious zealots.
@FourOh-LLC @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida >My point is that you cannot have it both ways...
I fully agree. The struggle in an "unwinnable" fight is the point. The battle is The Lord's, and we are told to fight.
>By compromising on heart-beat laws, by denying tax-funded abortions, and by cleaning up the Dictionary and separating "woman's health" from "abortion".
Seemingly pragmatic compromise is what allowed unregulated abortion functionally until two weeks after birth in some libtarded areas. It wasn't even 15 years ago that "safe, legal, and rare" was the Democrat's public opinion on abortion. Fungibility of money is abused— Planned Parenthood famously claimed that "NO TAXPAYER FUNDS ARE USED FOR ABORTION". By their same logic, the junkie begging for money is not buying drugs with the money I gave him since it's going into his left pocket (he took the $20 he already had in his left pocket and moved it to the right pocket— totally different money)! We do not have control of language in this country, and this has been abused by libtards for decades if not centuries.
>alienate Hindus, Buddhist, Jews, the atheist and the indifferent - who otherwise would agree with religion-free, purely academic arguments over the issue.
There are non-Christians who agree with the secular pro-life arguments presented in the 90s and 00s, but they're far smaller of a block than the frothing ragers that dominate NPC culture today. Look at the ubiquity of Orange Man Bad NPC type responses vs sensible disagreements and you see a similar ratio. Libtards have two-dimensional views of the world and cannot fathom the more nuanced views that democratic republics rely on. In other words: we cannot ever win by compromise, and we must hold the line knowing they'll take a mile over any inch we give.
I fully agree. The struggle in an "unwinnable" fight is the point. The battle is The Lord's, and we are told to fight.
>By compromising on heart-beat laws, by denying tax-funded abortions, and by cleaning up the Dictionary and separating "woman's health" from "abortion".
Seemingly pragmatic compromise is what allowed unregulated abortion functionally until two weeks after birth in some libtarded areas. It wasn't even 15 years ago that "safe, legal, and rare" was the Democrat's public opinion on abortion. Fungibility of money is abused— Planned Parenthood famously claimed that "NO TAXPAYER FUNDS ARE USED FOR ABORTION". By their same logic, the junkie begging for money is not buying drugs with the money I gave him since it's going into his left pocket (he took the $20 he already had in his left pocket and moved it to the right pocket— totally different money)! We do not have control of language in this country, and this has been abused by libtards for decades if not centuries.
>alienate Hindus, Buddhist, Jews, the atheist and the indifferent - who otherwise would agree with religion-free, purely academic arguments over the issue.
There are non-Christians who agree with the secular pro-life arguments presented in the 90s and 00s, but they're far smaller of a block than the frothing ragers that dominate NPC culture today. Look at the ubiquity of Orange Man Bad NPC type responses vs sensible disagreements and you see a similar ratio. Libtards have two-dimensional views of the world and cannot fathom the more nuanced views that democratic republics rely on. In other words: we cannot ever win by compromise, and we must hold the line knowing they'll take a mile over any inch we give.
It's all the same guy he's just a turbo feminist for some fucking reason.
@Goalkeeper @SuperSnekFriend @grey @TatsuyaIshida He's "ultra maga" now because apparently TERFs became Trump CHUDs according to shitlibs. I think he probably realizes liberalism cannot exist under libtard rule.
@BowsacNoodle @FourOh-LLC @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida From what I can gleen most of these groups are negrophiacs for the most part, and that’s one of the big arguments they employ unfortunately
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @FourOh-LLC @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida Killing babies is not something I will justify, even if they're babies of "my enemies". At best, it is a pyrrhic victory as embracing that would be on juxtaposition to my conscious and what I honestly believe is correct. For that same reason, "incest or rape" do not invalidate the right to life of the unborn; the child had no choice in its matter of conception.
@veff @grey @vic @BowsacNoodle @TatsuyaIshida My main issue is this is the world I can see, and thusly id the one I wish to work at, It’s something I prefer about Pagan and Secular thought, if we win or loose it’s up to us and no one else.
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @veff @grey @vic @TatsuyaIshida Judeo-pagan beliefs will find ways to compromise for convenience and rationalize it as necessary stewardship. Paganism is jewish.
@BowsacNoodle @FourOh-LLC @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida My view on Abortion is one of neutrality, but using the MUH HECKIN’ NIGGERS! argument is pathetic.
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @FourOh-LLC @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida Conservatives are not very smart or they'd realize that using huhWhite man's logical argument is useless for the Black pipo.
One of the most important lessons I've learned in the past few years is that liberalism is a privilege you can only give to a moral people. To push liberalism while tearing down morality is to destroy liberalism. I think that's a feature of such people's plans, not a bug. They want dictatorship so they engineer the need for one.
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@BowsacNoodle @veff @grey @vic @TatsuyaIshida I’m not saying to “compromise” anything, I’m saying this is the world that is, thusly this is the world we fight for, not some possible end of days that‘s been banged on about for 2 millennia.
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @veff @grey @vic @TatsuyaIshida My arguments against infanticide are primarily secular, or at least not restricted to Christianity. An anti-theistic materialist "we're all just starting dust" type wouldn't care about ethics, and they're irrational faggots who generally only care about hedonism. A regular nonbeliever can, and generally does, recognize that actions can have consequences, even if they're in your mind or 'spirit' in the Nietzschian sense of the word. In other words, you know as well as I do that some levels of consistency in our ethical and moral presuppositions are important regardless of the veneer we put over top of them.
@BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @FourOh-LLC @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida "hey you know how your country is full of degenerate rapists and niggers? We should ban abortion even though that means there will be more of them"
Isn't this what people mean when they say pick your battles?
Also I'd be curious what you think your responsibility or moral failing is as a Christian if "your enemies" get an abortion. Is there a meaningful obligation on you to stop others from sinning in this way?
Isn't this what people mean when they say pick your battles?
Also I'd be curious what you think your responsibility or moral failing is as a Christian if "your enemies" get an abortion. Is there a meaningful obligation on you to stop others from sinning in this way?
@WandererUber @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @FourOh-LLC @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida were i in power and had the ability to ban it in entirty obviously, but being that i have literally no power, i can ony simply not support killing the unborn period.
@BowsacNoodle @FourOh-LLC @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida Lefties unironically understand this better then rightoids lol.
Thas because they're the real racists *boomer sip*
I believe in the fact that God does not give you battles you cannot win. The Enemy going to do the opposite.
You cannot with the "all life begins at conception" battle, and this is not a battle that Christ will help you fight.
You spelled out plenty of battles yourself, battles we Christian could win - discrediting Planned Parenthood, prosecuting them, destroying their institution, then document their story which is full of deceit and calculating greed. Name the individuals who built, grew, sustained PP into the industrial complex it is today. You will find hundreds of battles along this line alone you can fight and you can win, where Christ is almost certain to support you.
But this takes training in a discipline, working in the field, and risking your professional reputation.
Of course its easier to sit in front of the PP clinic calling workers there evil (in Christ's Name, of course) get arrested and then bask in the Glory of Martyrdom.
When we debate the obvious we all lose, and we are now debating the obvious.
You cannot with the "all life begins at conception" battle, and this is not a battle that Christ will help you fight.
You spelled out plenty of battles yourself, battles we Christian could win - discrediting Planned Parenthood, prosecuting them, destroying their institution, then document their story which is full of deceit and calculating greed. Name the individuals who built, grew, sustained PP into the industrial complex it is today. You will find hundreds of battles along this line alone you can fight and you can win, where Christ is almost certain to support you.
But this takes training in a discipline, working in the field, and risking your professional reputation.
Of course its easier to sit in front of the PP clinic calling workers there evil (in Christ's Name, of course) get arrested and then bask in the Glory of Martyrdom.
When we debate the obvious we all lose, and we are now debating the obvious.
@BowsacNoodle @veff @grey @vic @TatsuyaIshida That’s the confusion here, I wasn’t talking about that (like I said I‘m neutral on it), I was referring to this whole “the world‘s fallen there’s no saving it until the end times which will happen in 2 more weeks“ thing.
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @veff @grey @vic @TatsuyaIshida We are talking past each other. The last sentence is specifically UUUU .
@FourOh-LLC @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida >Of course its easier to sit in front of the PP clinic calling workers there evil (in Christ's Name, of course) get arrested and then bask in the Glory of Martyrdom.
I know people who have been pro-life activists for 40+ years, and they've told me of the efficacy of protesting in front of clinics. I think calling it "easy" is insulting to those people. We can and should fight a multi front war against this. Be careful not to put limitations on God's power by assuming He cannot or would not allow us to win this battle with a level that seems impossible in our current discourse.
I know people who have been pro-life activists for 40+ years, and they've told me of the efficacy of protesting in front of clinics. I think calling it "easy" is insulting to those people. We can and should fight a multi front war against this. Be careful not to put limitations on God's power by assuming He cannot or would not allow us to win this battle with a level that seems impossible in our current discourse.
@BowsacNoodle @veff @grey @vic @TatsuyaIshida All jokes asides, For what it’s worth I agree, OFC morality does matter and IMO is intersic to Whites, I’m neutral on this one issue that’s all here.
@givenup @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @FourOh-LLC @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida Isn't that different from expending very limited political capital to stop your enemies from "sinning"? That was the whole point about picking your battles.
@givenup @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @FourOh-LLC @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida also if I were in power there wouldn't even be any niggers in the country in the first place lol
@WandererUber @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @FourOh-LLC @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida i mean that's a given, but i guess ultimately the point is, i'm not really gonna be in a position to do more than disapprove of abortion, except in my own life and even then, i'm not a woman, i'm also a person who doesn't ahve a kid right now due to abortion so.
but what i'mt rying to say is, if we have ultimate power becuase we won then this discussion doesn't matter, cuz we'll remove minorities peacefully or violently one way or another but no abortions for whites i'm gonna go out on a limb and say we probably agree ont hat.
but what i'mt rying to say is, if we have ultimate power becuase we won then this discussion doesn't matter, cuz we'll remove minorities peacefully or violently one way or another but no abortions for whites i'm gonna go out on a limb and say we probably agree ont hat.
@givenup @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @FourOh-LLC @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida that sucks dude
I don't approve of abortion either for the record
I don't approve of abortion either for the record
@WandererUber @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @FourOh-LLC @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida they didn't have it back when it was an issue for me, but my state has since the supreme court punted it back to states to decide, did a complete ban on abortion except incest and rape.
@givenup @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @FourOh-LLC @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida the incest exception is weirder to me than even rape.
with rape I just think "ok then let's kill the rapist too" and then they say "we can't the death penalty is inhumane"
But with incest what is even the argument when rape is already excepted "erm the baby is going to be deformed"
based, then are we doing eugenics now? No? Thought so.
with rape I just think "ok then let's kill the rapist too" and then they say "we can't the death penalty is inhumane"
But with incest what is even the argument when rape is already excepted "erm the baby is going to be deformed"
based, then are we doing eugenics now? No? Thought so.
Imagine spending that 40+ years in a medical field training and building up reputation where everyone affected do not need to be a "Christian" to respect and support, and accept the facts about Abortion.
Yes I be very careful not upset anyone by my feeble attempts to uncover and present the obvious.
Yes I be very careful not upset anyone by my feeble attempts to uncover and present the obvious.
@WandererUber @FourOh-LLC @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @givenup @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida except for 1st and second cousins, 90 percent of incest is rape or at least "statutory rape" I think this is just giving an out to the jews who are known for this kind've stuff.
@Terry @FourOh-LLC @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @givenup @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida could be
still, rape was already an exception to the ban, so why?
still, rape was already an exception to the ban, so why?
@WandererUber @FourOh-LLC @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @givenup @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida because jews are degenerates and will fuck their second cousins without a second thought..
By the way, I've researched it, with your 3rd cousin you're in the clear (barely) but good luck finding them.
In my life I've only ever met one 2nd cousin at a funeral before and that was like a 5 minute conversation.
By the way, I've researched it, with your 3rd cousin you're in the clear (barely) but good luck finding them.
In my life I've only ever met one 2nd cousin at a funeral before and that was like a 5 minute conversation.
@Terry @FourOh-LLC @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @givenup @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida feel like you're not really reading what I'm saying tbh
a 3rd cousin would be just some random girl in your village in the old days lol
I hate jews btw
a 3rd cousin would be just some random girl in your village in the old days lol
I hate jews btw
@WandererUber @Terry @FourOh-LLC @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @givenup @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida Yeah third cousin is ≈2.2% shared DNA at most with a mathematical average of 0.78%. Even a second cousin is 2-6 averaging ≈3.1%. I have never had desire for cousin relations, but I have to acknowledge that a lot of my aversion to it is likely cultural.
@BowsacNoodle @Terry @FourOh-LLC @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @givenup @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida For whites such a relationship could just "happen" as a one-off depending on the circumstance and it wasn't ever really an issue so nobody cares. Says a lot about brownoids that it's so extremely common there though. They're dependent on arranged marriage between first cousins because that's the only way to sustain monogamy in a gene pool full of pee.
@WandererUber @Terry @FourOh-LLC @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @givenup @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida The alleged reason for prohibition of incest in Europe was to prevent concentration of power from clan formations growing too large. Even that never prohibited third cousin.
@BowsacNoodle @Terry @FourOh-LLC @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @givenup @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida Found some npr article about this, gives the source as a fella went by the name of "Joseph Henrich" evo bio at harvard.
they say by the end it was 6th cousin that was prohibited. That seems like nonsense because that's basically everybody you'll ever meet in those days.
The article felt like a retcon of jews jamming our ingroup-outgroup distinction into "the church broke up the clans and made everyone trust strangers". Even though hospitality to the stranger is detailed in the pagan Edda and is proven to be very old PIE practice.
Maybe the church was simply doing power politics against the nobles?
I'll do some more reading.
they say by the end it was 6th cousin that was prohibited. That seems like nonsense because that's basically everybody you'll ever meet in those days.
The article felt like a retcon of jews jamming our ingroup-outgroup distinction into "the church broke up the clans and made everyone trust strangers". Even though hospitality to the stranger is detailed in the pagan Edda and is proven to be very old PIE practice.
Maybe the church was simply doing power politics against the nobles?
I'll do some more reading.
@WandererUber @Terry @FourOh-LLC @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @givenup @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida >Maybe the church was simply doing power politics against the nobles?
That seems much more likely than anything else, and it was probably only enforced on them if anyone ever. The blood relation at anything beyond third cousin is as low as 0%, so the idea that it's about genetic malformations or any other tropes is nonsense.
That seems much more likely than anything else, and it was probably only enforced on them if anyone ever. The blood relation at anything beyond third cousin is as low as 0%, so the idea that it's about genetic malformations or any other tropes is nonsense.
@BowsacNoodle @WandererUber @Terry @FourOh-LLC @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida yea well look at this momma bun moving straw around.
@givenup @BowsacNoodle @Terry @FourOh-LLC @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida man you're living the life
@WandererUber @BowsacNoodle @Terry @FourOh-LLC @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @grey @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida here is my rabbit setup, it's perfect, for being negligent about your rabbits breeding.
@BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @veff @grey @vic @TatsuyaIshida Yes, pre-Christian European faiths are Jewish, but not the literal Hebrew faith. Makes sense! I swear, the Jewish Question is like an Elder Scroll, upon reading it most people's brain simply melt.
@bronzeagetruecel @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida Pagan LARPing is a modern invention that was mostly an outgrowth of the many and varied occult groups in the 19th century. While not explicitly Jewish, many of the occult systems that gave rise to the pagan LARPers made extensive use of Kabbalah, as well as anything else they could get their hands on. Freemasonry itself makes extensive use of Jewish symbolism in it's rituals to the point where it has to be considered at least Jewish in part.
tomrue.net/religion/craft/elements.htm
skirret.com/papers/masonry_and_paganism.html
tomrue.net/religion/craft/elements.htm
skirret.com/papers/masonry_and_paganism.html
@grey @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @bronzeagetruecel @veff @TatsuyaIshida Most pictures I've seen of the inside of a Freemason temple show very prominent hexagrams. It's all so obvious. It's all kabbalah in the end these days.
@vic @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @bronzeagetruecel @veff @TatsuyaIshida oh look, a Masonic breastplate representing the 12 tribes of Israel
@grey @vic @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @bronzeagetruecel @veff @TatsuyaIshida OOH THATS PART OF OT HIGH PRIESTS VESTMENTS
THEY'RE LARPING AS OT LEVITES?
THEY'RE LARPING AS OT LEVITES?
@nugger @vic @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @bronzeagetruecel @veff @TatsuyaIshida "All religions are equal and you can believe in any religion to be a Mason, but we're going to dress like OT Jews just because."
@Terry @WandererUber @BowsacNoodle @FourOh-LLC @TatsuyaIshida @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @givenup @grey @veff @vic
There's a reason why they get soo many recessive genetical diseases.
40% of them share the same four “founding mothers” just a thousand years ago.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060117083446.htm
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There's a reason why they get soo many recessive genetical diseases.
40% of them share the same four “founding mothers” just a thousand years ago.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060117083446.htm
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@grey @bronzeagetruecel @BowsacNoodle @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida I don’t see many ties there, just that they don’t care wht religion you are so there’s a few Pagans in there and thus it “compatible.” Then there’s the second issue, Witchcraft/Wicca is a complete butchery of any sort of Pagan tradition, was talking to my Volkist fren about that, in general these weird pozzed buthceries aren’t what you see /ourpagans/ using so they’re free of any sort of jewish and/or Masonic taint.
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @bronzeagetruecel @BowsacNoodle @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida You understand that the Völkisch movement itself originated in the 19th century. Like all neopagan "faiths" those were romantic reconstructions, not an actual continuation of any kind of historical practice. And I put "faith" in quotation marks, since like all neopagans, other than some basic magical ritual and non-committal talk about virtue, there's almost no focus on the actual dieties that they allege to believe in enough to worship.
@bronzeagetruecel @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @veff @grey @vic @TatsuyaIshida To my knowledge, none of modern "paganism" can reliably be said to be the same faith as the ancestors. Most of it is recorded from Christian sources. If you think Christianity is jewish, you're doing a copy of a faith produced by "jewish" sources and filtered through their lens. Of course you know Christianity isn't jewish and you're either joking or being intellectually dishonest, but so it goes.
@grey @bronzeagetruecel @BowsacNoodle @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida Volkism belives that the runes are lost and thus such magic is impossible and may only have been doable by Priest Kings, which is what the “gods” are, Great Men that reincarnate, not literally gods (Von List avoided the word god do to the Abrhamic connotation).
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @grey @bronzeagetruecel @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida Shame about your runes, pagan bros. Oh well, guess magic isn't real anymore. 😞
@BowsacNoodle @bronzeagetruecel @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @veff @grey @vic @TatsuyaIshida FLAWLESS LOGIC AND REASONING
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@BowsacNoodle @bronzeagetruecel @veff @grey @vic @TatsuyaIshida Snorii was a Nord recording his people’s oral traditions despite not believing them, him being a Catholic is largely irrelevant there (not a Pagan to be clear), simil case for most of these, either that or trying to retcon them into being “compatible with Christianity“ like with the Irish tales (not too hard to reconstruct the original roles and the like there)
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @bronzeagetruecel @BowsacNoodle @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida Of course they believe something that bears no connection to the reality of religious history. The actual historical reality is that the religion of the ancient world was much more likely to be monotheist than anything the pagan reconstructionists have ever come up with. The modern secular view of religious "evolution" going from animism -> polytheism -> monotheism -> scientific atheism is wrong on every level.
@grey @bronzeagetruecel @BowsacNoodle @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida To my eye the Abrahamic faiths take aspects from various others from various others of the day and age to varying degrees, So "standard" religious history seems accurate (Pagan faiths also share a common root, the rest are outside my wheelhouse I shall confess)
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @bronzeagetruecel @BowsacNoodle @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida Sure. But you're basically taking a position of nihilism. "If nothing is true, then the religion made up last century that could have come from a D&D supplement is just as heckin' valid as a millennia of experience of my actual ancestors."
And again, my point still stands, that there seem to be no actual interaction with these spiritual forces beyond what amounts to a wistful remembrance of them, and a "wouldn't it be cool if they were real" aesthetic. They aren't living as you would expect them to if they actually believed in what they say they worship. Let alone any testimony of actual miracles that they were responsible for.
(I'm aware that the vast majority of Christians also do not live like that, the realization of that as a teenager was why I never attended church as an adult. Until I basically stumbled into the Russian Orthodox Church in a circumstance that left zero doubt about certain things).
And again, my point still stands, that there seem to be no actual interaction with these spiritual forces beyond what amounts to a wistful remembrance of them, and a "wouldn't it be cool if they were real" aesthetic. They aren't living as you would expect them to if they actually believed in what they say they worship. Let alone any testimony of actual miracles that they were responsible for.
(I'm aware that the vast majority of Christians also do not live like that, the realization of that as a teenager was why I never attended church as an adult. Until I basically stumbled into the Russian Orthodox Church in a circumstance that left zero doubt about certain things).
@grey @bronzeagetruecel @BowsacNoodle @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida Most if not all religions seem false to me, any sort of "good and moral all powerful god/s" is to me illogical with well all of this, Paganism at the least understood that much with the gods not being all good and all powerful or whatever. Volkism intrets me as there is probably SOMETHING that separates us from animals and the idea of a racial soul makes sense to me, I'm not saying I believe it mind, just that I'm interested and should do more reading.
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @bronzeagetruecel @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida >Most if not all religions seem false to me, any sort of "good and moral all powerful god/s" is to me illogical with well all of this
That's the thing, for me, it's illogical how you can *not* believe in a unifying principle underlying reality. But I've already made enough noise in @BowsacNoodle 's notifications, so I don't want to get into TAG or anything.
That's the thing, for me, it's illogical how you can *not* believe in a unifying principle underlying reality. But I've already made enough noise in @BowsacNoodle 's notifications, so I don't want to get into TAG or anything.
@grey @bronzeagetruecel @BowsacNoodle @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida There could be a higher power/s who created the universe, But it seems they either don't care and are just watching or physically can't get involved, or they're some sort of Demiurge esc figure, It doesn't really matter to me as the world's the world and that's what's ours to make our way in regardless.
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @bronzeagetruecel @BowsacNoodle @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida >There could be a higher power/s who created the universe, But it seems they either don't care and are just watching
Yeah, I found that confusing growing up, having been raised as an Anglican, and as a teenager had a female priest. Much of the actual theology passed down from the Church fathers for millennia was obscured or ignored.
The reality is that this world isn't permanent and we've already been told about the end of it. God is not concerned with our accomplishments or making things happy or comfortable in this life, God is concerned with teaching his prospective children to love selflessly like He does, and healing them from the damage that sinning has done to them, so we are prepared for the next life.
Yeah, I found that confusing growing up, having been raised as an Anglican, and as a teenager had a female priest. Much of the actual theology passed down from the Church fathers for millennia was obscured or ignored.
The reality is that this world isn't permanent and we've already been told about the end of it. God is not concerned with our accomplishments or making things happy or comfortable in this life, God is concerned with teaching his prospective children to love selflessly like He does, and healing them from the damage that sinning has done to them, so we are prepared for the next life.
@grey @bronzeagetruecel @BowsacNoodle @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida @William_The_Dragonborn This whole subthread is a Timat thread
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @bronzeagetruecel @BowsacNoodle @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida @William_The_Dragonborn am i doing it right?
@grey @bronzeagetruecel @BowsacNoodle @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida Honestly that seems kind of pointless for me even if it is true, As far as I know it will be another 2 millennia, which could damn well mean we nuke the world and kill humanity long before then, or any other myriad of things.
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @bronzeagetruecel @BowsacNoodle @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida Obviously that's your call. But nihilism isn't a serious belief system either. Anyway, I have to do an all-nighter because some Brazilian clients are acting like Brazilians. So I'll just leave you with a basic explanation of TAG, for whatever it's worth.
@grey @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @bronzeagetruecel @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida Please, I live for this. I am a religion hellthread arsonist. I hellthread before the sun came up today, and I'm now going to continue as it's gone down.
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @grey @bronzeagetruecel @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida @William_The_Dragonborn Every time I hear about tiamat I think about Jordan Peterson.
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@William_The_Dragonborn @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @grey @bronzeagetruecel @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida Try now, I just reencoded and re-uploaded
@William_The_Dragonborn @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @grey @bronzeagetruecel @veff @vic @TatsuyaIshida tiamatussy...? Mmmm no very unwise.