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Or, starting a civil war so they can cancel the election.

@cjd
No civil war 2. You've been listening to tim pool too much

@cjd I have. They are crazy enough to do anything.

@cjd

I think none of the above. they intend to steal it, and they will succeed.

That's a bad plan, because this time there's a lot of powerful people backing Trump.

So what happens when the shop where they're printing ballots gets the door busted down and black masks come in and machine gun everyone inside?

Then all the sudden they come up short on ballots and people are saying "looks like Trump won", this is a really bad outcome for them.

@cjd

see, I don't think that's how it happens, though.

I think the biggest source of fraud are unauthenticated ballots. and once those envelopes are opened and have poisoned the well, it's over. there's no getting them out. and no court has the balls to keep them out before they get in. garbage ballots need to be invalidated, but we can't because something something MUH DEMOCRACY.

@cjd

I'll never forget the joke from 2016 that actually made the air: "unless they're printing ballots in a south philadelphia whorehouse..."

Trump won in 2016 because they didn't think they would need to cheat. the were caught sleeping. they'll never get caught sleeping again.

Yeah but where are those unauthenticated ballots coming from?

What if instead of taking a photo, dudes roll up with an AK and pop the guy transporting them?

This whole "fiddling the election" thing cuts both ways. If you've got powerful people on the other side of it, you can't cheat.

Some muckidymuck says "oh we're gonna stop the counting", phone call from his wife "I don't know where I am, they caught me, help"... "oh, we're actually not going to stop the counting"...

The cardinal rule of election fraud is if your guy wins, it doesn't matter what you did to make it happen.

@cjd
I doubt the civil war thing, but I do agree with the notion they know they can't win and are intentionally leaving the biggest mess possible.

The economic crash is already happening, it was set into motion in March of 2020. The only thing that will change is they'll stop lying about it.
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Big messes require swift and decisive action, so basically they're goading Trump into throwing them in camps...

@cjd
He doesn't have the balls, and neither does Vance.

I do agree there appears to be intent behind the left's current failings.

But would Thiel? Or Musk?
It's not so much the figureheads as the power players behind them...

@cjd

none of this is realistic, though. they will throw the book at anyone who tries to prevent fraud while the fraudster taunts them, dancing in center city philadelphia to "ain't no stopping this count." as for your suggestion of what should happen to the ballot transporters would be a federal crime and of itself, given who's transporting them. never mind they're in a union that took a side.

mules gonna mule, and anyone who even looks at them sideways will suffer violence from the state.

> The cardinal rule of election fraud is if your guy wins, it doesn't matter what you did to make it happen.

@cjd

in that case, we should just pre-emptively hand the entire government to the left. they play to win.

FWIW I think Trump wins this one, and after he wins there's gonna be a purge.

@cjd

I really, really, REALLY hope you're right.

but I wouldn't bet on that combination of events. not even at, say, 8:1.

> hope

I'm not even like wishing or hoping, I mean yeah, things will get a little better for a lot of people, but in the end this is just the Great Reset.

Lot of useless people in government costing the oligarchy on lost revenues, so they line up Trump as a savior figure and sweep them up.

So it goes...

@cjd how about all 3?