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damn, there are so many laptops with 16GB soldered LPDDR5x... made within last 1.5 years. Why would anyone keep making laptops like that?

LPCAMM2 can't come soon enough...

@wolf480pl@mstdn.io LPDDR5 does give a fairly good perf boost from better clocks, so makes sense in that regard

Will see if LPCAMM can actually succeed, it does restrict the layout quite a bit, but maybe it will get adopted enough.

@ignaloidas no I mean, why would you make a 16GB RAM laptop in 2023?

@wolf480pl@mstdn.io 16GB is enough tbh

my work laptop has 16GB and it's never been a big issue

now, my work isn't compute intensive on the laptop, but that can be said for at least 80% of office workers

@ignaloidas my work laptop has 16GB and with 1 slack tab, 1 youtube tab, and a bunch of github and google drive tabs, I'm easily filling all my RAM, but...

we've already talked about this before lol

@ignaloidas in this case my point is, considering the rate at which webapps' RAM requirements increase, if you buy a 16GB RAM laptop now, it will likely stop being sufficient in a year or two. Who would buy a laptop with such a short timeframe in mind?

@wolf480pl@mstdn.io idk, my work is almost entirely through webapps, and it's fine, I rarely go above 60% ram usage. And I think as long as businesses will keep on standardizing on 16GB laptops, webapps will not grow that much. I personally haven't seen memory usage from them significantly increase over the last ~3 years, and I suspect it's because everyone is sitting on 16GB of RAM.

@wolf480pl @ignaloidas maybe the solution to that is to try to use native apps instead of webapps
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by native apps you mean webapps bundled with Electron?

@wolf480pl My Surface Laptop Go has 4GB and I got that in 2023.

@sjb interesting...

what do you use it for?

@wolf480pl It runs Firefox with 6-8 tabs fine. It also seems to run a GPU-based particle simulation quite fast, which I'm kind of surprised by. And it plays MP3s and runs Office and Zoom (maybe even Teams). So it does everything I needed.

Funny thing is, the RAM usage in Task Manager hovers around 3.5GB all the time regardless, so I think there's some memory management going on (swap file on the SSD??)

@sjb yeah sounds like it'd do a lot of swapping, but if that's not causing slowness for you, then that's great

@wolf480pl It also compiles code, maybe 2-3x slower than my desktop but it does it.

Only thing it won't do smoothly is games. They run, but often dipping to slideshow FPS.

@wolf480pl Very weirdly balanced machine. Short on storage (4GB RAM, 64GB SSD) but has an i5 processor that's actually quite fast. Also a nice touchscreen and overall design. Battery life is middle-of-the-road (5 hours?)

I got it because it was $259 on sale on Amazon.