Lunduke actually did make a good point, Godot's Twitter account and the Discord's moderator broke Godot's own code of conduct when they did things like called people who asked them to focus on the game engine, "the filth of humanity".
@sun
In my personal experience, the more likely some one/group is to have a code of conduct, the more likely they are to be a complete hypocrite about it in practice.
In my personal experience, the more likely some one/group is to have a code of conduct, the more likely they are to be a complete hypocrite about it in practice.
This is irrefutable by the way, even if you think "just focus on the engine" is worthy of being removed from their communuty for being insufficiently enthusiastic, could have just banned the people but instead they violated both the spirit and letter of the CoC. Projects shouldn't have a code of conduct, they should just say "we can remove any member from our community without cause"
@sun Only if you ignore the implicit part of every CoC "it's ok when we do it"
@pomstan yeah many of his videos are terrible, I could barely make it through his "alternatives to woke software" video to post about it.
@sun I don't think the Twitter ever did that though?
And IIRC the discord moderator was for an unofficial guild so likely a different CoC.
And IIRC the discord moderator was for an unofficial guild so likely a different CoC.
@lanodan @sun You are right, this person was the owner/admin of the 'godot café' server, which is not the official Godot discord server however they both have many mods/admin on both the official discord server and the Godot Café so i think that's why a lot of people thought it was the official godot server (maybe?)
@uoh @lanodan @sun They still link to it under "User-supported communities" here https://godotengine.org/community/
Mixed messages with the big "we disavow this server and the person running it" thing T B H
Mixed messages with the big "we disavow this server and the person running it" thing T B H
@sun @lanodan i don't think it matters if they break their own CoC or not. They are still stupid for entertaining the idea that the game engine is 'woke'. Unnecessary drama politic bs that should have never been discussed on the main twitter page of the project
i literally dont care that most devs working on it are 'woke' just dont make the project your political ground, it's as shrimple as that 🦐
i literally dont care that most devs working on it are 'woke' just dont make the project your political ground, it's as shrimple as that 🦐
@uoh @lanodan I personally don't even care if they advertise lgbt games or whatever, I am 100% okay with that and the people that got upset about that are dumb. what's unacceptable is that they posted bait about it on their official twitter and then banned people from their github who asked them to not to post bait.
@uoh @lanodan @sun And back in June it was even under "Official" https://archive.is/7R3eL though it moved to where it is now at some point between then and the end of September.
@sun @lanodan @uoh That's more or less the common "anti-woke" perception of this event. No shitstorm when they constantly advertised "woke games" made with the engine. No shitstorm when they rainbow'd the logo and did a pride month jam. Probably no shitstorm with the wokot tweet if they hadn't proceeded to go on a mass block tantrum on the official twitter account.
@birdulon @lanodan @sun tbh the official godot discord server was created not that long ago and most people were on the old godot cafe server back then so thats why they listed it as a discord server but they still werent in control of it. i dont really mind them relying on a community run discord server for a while
What are the problem I think is default liberals thinking that they must be woke because they share ideas with the woke.
I mean, look at Linus Torvalds. I'm reasonably certain that that guy isn't remotely woke. The fact that he holds some center left ideas (or even further left ideas) isn't really material, if you started really grilling him on woke ideology, he'd probably be obviously anti-woke by the end of the conversation. You just need to look at how he runs his project. For one thing, it's his project and he has a central role, and the other people working on the project are typically old greybeards who are excellent at kernel development because that's who builds good OS kernels. He doesn't come right up and say, but there's gatekeeping. He's doing what he feels is right for the project and not what's right for the current political climate. Of course he would, the Linux kernel is his claim to fame, his legacy, his place in the world. If he started lowering the bar just to let people of certain racial or gender castes in, his kernel would become garbage and he'd become irrelevant.
In the same way, I think that a lot of people who don't have any problem with gay people think that that's the same as being woke, when in reality they are quite different things. People who actually care about gay people might actually oppose woke ideology because it's going to get the whole group unfairly lynched.
Because people think that they support this thing because they support a part of it, they end up accidentally backing psychopaths who aren't acting in the best interests of anyone but themselves.
In the case of Linux, I think that there's a parallel to be made. I'm sure that over the last 36 years or whatever it's been there have been people who talk a good game about doing the right thing for the Linux kernel when in reality they just want to get their way and by appealing to the kernel itself they're hoping to do so. I've seen it in a bunch of different ways. Somebody wants free meals, and they work at a place with a strong union, then they will frame their argument in terms of why the union wants them to get free meals. I worked at a place with a strong safety culture, and that same person would frame their argument in terms of why safety wants them to get free meals. I worked at a place with a real ball busting asshole of a boss, and anytime that someone wanted someone guess what? They bad mouth that guy behind their back everyday but when they wanted something they would frame their argument as in that asshole of a boss wants it done so get it done.
I mean, look at Linus Torvalds. I'm reasonably certain that that guy isn't remotely woke. The fact that he holds some center left ideas (or even further left ideas) isn't really material, if you started really grilling him on woke ideology, he'd probably be obviously anti-woke by the end of the conversation. You just need to look at how he runs his project. For one thing, it's his project and he has a central role, and the other people working on the project are typically old greybeards who are excellent at kernel development because that's who builds good OS kernels. He doesn't come right up and say, but there's gatekeeping. He's doing what he feels is right for the project and not what's right for the current political climate. Of course he would, the Linux kernel is his claim to fame, his legacy, his place in the world. If he started lowering the bar just to let people of certain racial or gender castes in, his kernel would become garbage and he'd become irrelevant.
In the same way, I think that a lot of people who don't have any problem with gay people think that that's the same as being woke, when in reality they are quite different things. People who actually care about gay people might actually oppose woke ideology because it's going to get the whole group unfairly lynched.
Because people think that they support this thing because they support a part of it, they end up accidentally backing psychopaths who aren't acting in the best interests of anyone but themselves.
In the case of Linux, I think that there's a parallel to be made. I'm sure that over the last 36 years or whatever it's been there have been people who talk a good game about doing the right thing for the Linux kernel when in reality they just want to get their way and by appealing to the kernel itself they're hoping to do so. I've seen it in a bunch of different ways. Somebody wants free meals, and they work at a place with a strong union, then they will frame their argument in terms of why the union wants them to get free meals. I worked at a place with a strong safety culture, and that same person would frame their argument in terms of why safety wants them to get free meals. I worked at a place with a real ball busting asshole of a boss, and anytime that someone wanted someone guess what? They bad mouth that guy behind their back everyday but when they wanted something they would frame their argument as in that asshole of a boss wants it done so get it done.
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