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https://drafts.interfluidity.com/2024/10/15/a-westphalian-order-is-project-enough/index.html
This is a very kraterocratic concept of legitimacy. I don't agree at all.

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@interfluidity I don't think that means they legitimised the state. Just that they were too scared/weak/oppressed to rebel.

@interfluidity If you are saying that not rebelling entails giving legitimacy, then you are indirectly saying that an oppressive state is legitimate when the people it rules over are either benefiting from the state (and potentially therefore from the oppression) or are oppressed and too scared and weak to rebel.

@interfluidity Are you sure you don't conform to the law without being forced to because it happen to in whole or in part correspond to your sense of right and wrong?
Because I do that, even though I readily break it when it doesn't correspond to my sense of right and wrong (and I figure I can get away with it).

@interfluidity You're welcome. Although I didn't read the whole thing.

@interfluidity I don't think I do that at all. At least I hope not.
As a child, I was forced to wear a seatbelt like any other child. By my parents, however, not the cops (IIRC). And as an adult I wear a seatbelt because I value my life and my physical safety.

But if I got stopped by a cop for not wearing one, that would piss me off no end. I certainly wouldn't start agreeing with it just because I was forced to do it.
I don't agree with the nanny state idea of laws that get us to do things "for our own good".
I don't even think "it's for your own good" is a legitimate principle of ethics. Ethics is about what you do to others, not what you do to yourself.