I agree with this meme generally but i think the statement "treat sickness with food and herbs" is wildly simplistic.
I would argue that eating a proper diet (something that looks a lot like keto or carnivore) simply eliminates all of the modern diseases like obesity, type 2 diabetes, cancer, heart attacks, PCOS, dental caries, etc. etc.
But there are, for example, infectious diseases, that may very well require medicine or vaccines. I'm hella skeptical of "herbs?"
I would argue that eating a proper diet (something that looks a lot like keto or carnivore) simply eliminates all of the modern diseases like obesity, type 2 diabetes, cancer, heart attacks, PCOS, dental caries, etc. etc.
But there are, for example, infectious diseases, that may very well require medicine or vaccines. I'm hella skeptical of "herbs?"
> "eating a proper diet"
You just treated sickness with food and herbs.
> "hella skeptical of 'herbs'"
Hey @lovelymiss maybe you should send this guy some herbs. Maybe something that makes his skin turn blue. Nothing too extreme. Just enough to make the point...
You just treated sickness with food and herbs.
> "hella skeptical of 'herbs'"
Hey @lovelymiss maybe you should send this guy some herbs. Maybe something that makes his skin turn blue. Nothing too extreme. Just enough to make the point...
Yeah, modern medicine can be amazing.
The issue is politicians and bureaucrats meddling in it for power and control.
The issue is politicians and bureaucrats meddling in it for power and control.
@BattleDwarfGimli @lovelymiss Ahem...
PREVENTED!
Perhaps pour a little hot coffee on your willy to kickstart your brain m8
:)
PREVENTED!
Perhaps pour a little hot coffee on your willy to kickstart your brain m8
:)
@threalist I don't actually dispute that but as a cat who was trying not to die of weighing 500 lbs let me alert you that the entirety of the medical profession was of less use than a prostitute in a cathedral.
You're splitting hares, Hazel. If you get a cold, or maybe Muh Cohbidz, what are you going to treat that with? We treat that with homemade bone broth chicken soup around these parts...
@threalist @Escoffier *insert @TrevorGoodchild 's post about the four marvels of modern medicine*
Yes. We shouldn't forsake all of the technological achievements of the past century and a half, just because 70% of the US population became unpaid clinical trial participants. If we were eating real food and factoring medicinal herbs into our food preparation, I agree many of our "health problems" would subside by themselves.
Remaining issues would be communicable diseases (primarily solved by waste disposal/water treatment, but things like the flu still exist), and wound care.
Yes. We shouldn't forsake all of the technological achievements of the past century and a half, just because 70% of the US population became unpaid clinical trial participants. If we were eating real food and factoring medicinal herbs into our food preparation, I agree many of our "health problems" would subside by themselves.
Remaining issues would be communicable diseases (primarily solved by waste disposal/water treatment, but things like the flu still exist), and wound care.
@BattleDwarfGimli @lovelymiss The obvious question is though what is its actual medical value?
I'll give you a for instance. When I was big I would hear all these claims -- lowering stress will help you lose weight -- etc
Let me assure you not one person ever has dropped three hundred pounds by meditating. It has zero actual medical value, They might feel better but it don't do squat.
I would argue the soup id about the same. Its comforting and proper nutrition probably helps but end of day your immune system eventually defeats the virus, no?
I'll give you a for instance. When I was big I would hear all these claims -- lowering stress will help you lose weight -- etc
Let me assure you not one person ever has dropped three hundred pounds by meditating. It has zero actual medical value, They might feel better but it don't do squat.
I would argue the soup id about the same. Its comforting and proper nutrition probably helps but end of day your immune system eventually defeats the virus, no?
@BattleDwarfGimli @lovelymiss @Escoffier How do you prevent it? By getting used to it.
Essential Oils won’t stop you from contracting rabies if you get bitten by a rabid dog. Part of my ideal theoretical society included an end to all hostile foreign aggression and the creation of a Scientific-Paramilitary Vanguard that travels the globe peacefully searching for, studying and cataloguing new biological substances that can be used to develop novel cures to diseases. Not so much “here bro I found you some herbs for your herpes in Paraguay, eat these flowers,” but more like a global scientific filter that gradually searches for novel biological substances and molecules…for example, things like the bacteria that was used to develop Ivermectin (I don’t think it was ever found again “in the wild” after the initial discovery. Imagine if it had been overlooked.)
I would love to see a union of proven medical science, creativity and the spirit of exploration that is unleashed, free to operate wherever and however it sees fit.
I would love to see a union of proven medical science, creativity and the spirit of exploration that is unleashed, free to operate wherever and however it sees fit.
There are two things you should want modern medicine for (well, the first one you can supplement with nature, but they're definitely a million times less reliable than the pharma version because of varying dosages and less specificity).
Antibiotics, and Trauma Care.
Practically everything in your day to day life in terms of wellness should be handled by three things -
Diet, hygiene, and exercise.
You're absolutely right, the most potent use of herbal medicine is preventative, rather than responsive. Really all medicine is better that way - we do it backwards, because it's jewish. Our version of preventative medicine is shooting you up with dead cells and mini doses of AIDS and toxic adjuvants that will keep you coming back for more or make you retarded, because it's all fucking jewish. But hey, repeat customers, nigger. Gotta feed the jew.
If you keep your diet right, regularly include herbs for what they offer in terms of antimicrobial power and ancillary effects on your body's systems, you will just never get sick. I've lived it for decades. Some sick fuck does cough on you? There's the hygiene. Clean yourself properly. I've had to treat rooms full of people having all sorts of issues and I'm the only one left standing, despite exposure to all of that, because of my healthy immune system to begin with, and hygiene.
Finally, when you do get something, you need to discern its nature and if it requires an antibiotic, have something on hand and make sure you knock it down. One place I differ with the use of antibiotics is that I think the resistance we're worried about is coming from such shit recognition of illness, and such shit public health as a whole, because people are always sick and unhealthy, they don't notice it. They've been sick for days or a week or more before they get it. When I'm exposed to something I'll have to fight off, my body feels it within an hour. I know something's off instantly, because I always feel great. I can feel where it's starting, chest, throat, sinuses, stomach, etc. I can respond more quickly. When I do need something I don't need to take antibiotics for ten days like they do with normal sick people. A couple doses and whatever was in my system is gone for good and I'm back to feeling normal.
What you eat to begin with is 99% of the medicine you should need in your life. Your food is your medicine. That's what keeps you in peak condition and keeps you from getting sick in the first place, along with the hygiene. That's where the meme becomes correct.
In regard to the stress thing, there is no situation in life where lowering your stress levels won't help. Just none. Stress puts increased pressure on your body's systems, chemically, and psychologically. It shortens your lifespan. Being able to reduce it in any form is a win, because there will be plenty of real world stress even in our gay kid-gloves world that rarely grapples with actual survival. That being said, yeah, helping stress alone won't ever cure something like obesity....tangentially, it can help, because obesity's root cause is a mental one. Most people want to say I can do this one easy thing or take this one easy pill and lose all the weight, when in reality the only solution is changing how you think, what you eat, and how much you exercise. It's really easy, but it's not for most people, because they lack self discipline, and it's work, and retraining yourself to not be a fat, lazy fuck. The formula is simple, though.
I speak from experience on that as well. I've always been a giant. Growing up I was a giant whose parents were ridiculously good cooks, and whose mom baked real baked goods constantly. I carried probably an extra 120 lbs or so, which didn't look as bad on a giant, but it was way too much. I was unhealthy and lazy from all that extra weight, and weak mentally because I couldn't stop. Meditation and prayer does help in that regard - they teach you mental discipline, which is the key to a problem like that. When I disciplined myself losing the weight became easy. Changing my priorities, changing my diet, changing the quantities of what I ate, and keeping it that way, was all made possible by mental discipline and proper regimentation. If you can't put yourself on a daily prayer/meditation schedule, well, you're not organized enough to stop being a fat fuck either. So in that way it is connected, a little bit.
Antibiotics, and Trauma Care.
Practically everything in your day to day life in terms of wellness should be handled by three things -
Diet, hygiene, and exercise.
You're absolutely right, the most potent use of herbal medicine is preventative, rather than responsive. Really all medicine is better that way - we do it backwards, because it's jewish. Our version of preventative medicine is shooting you up with dead cells and mini doses of AIDS and toxic adjuvants that will keep you coming back for more or make you retarded, because it's all fucking jewish. But hey, repeat customers, nigger. Gotta feed the jew.
If you keep your diet right, regularly include herbs for what they offer in terms of antimicrobial power and ancillary effects on your body's systems, you will just never get sick. I've lived it for decades. Some sick fuck does cough on you? There's the hygiene. Clean yourself properly. I've had to treat rooms full of people having all sorts of issues and I'm the only one left standing, despite exposure to all of that, because of my healthy immune system to begin with, and hygiene.
Finally, when you do get something, you need to discern its nature and if it requires an antibiotic, have something on hand and make sure you knock it down. One place I differ with the use of antibiotics is that I think the resistance we're worried about is coming from such shit recognition of illness, and such shit public health as a whole, because people are always sick and unhealthy, they don't notice it. They've been sick for days or a week or more before they get it. When I'm exposed to something I'll have to fight off, my body feels it within an hour. I know something's off instantly, because I always feel great. I can feel where it's starting, chest, throat, sinuses, stomach, etc. I can respond more quickly. When I do need something I don't need to take antibiotics for ten days like they do with normal sick people. A couple doses and whatever was in my system is gone for good and I'm back to feeling normal.
What you eat to begin with is 99% of the medicine you should need in your life. Your food is your medicine. That's what keeps you in peak condition and keeps you from getting sick in the first place, along with the hygiene. That's where the meme becomes correct.
In regard to the stress thing, there is no situation in life where lowering your stress levels won't help. Just none. Stress puts increased pressure on your body's systems, chemically, and psychologically. It shortens your lifespan. Being able to reduce it in any form is a win, because there will be plenty of real world stress even in our gay kid-gloves world that rarely grapples with actual survival. That being said, yeah, helping stress alone won't ever cure something like obesity....tangentially, it can help, because obesity's root cause is a mental one. Most people want to say I can do this one easy thing or take this one easy pill and lose all the weight, when in reality the only solution is changing how you think, what you eat, and how much you exercise. It's really easy, but it's not for most people, because they lack self discipline, and it's work, and retraining yourself to not be a fat, lazy fuck. The formula is simple, though.
I speak from experience on that as well. I've always been a giant. Growing up I was a giant whose parents were ridiculously good cooks, and whose mom baked real baked goods constantly. I carried probably an extra 120 lbs or so, which didn't look as bad on a giant, but it was way too much. I was unhealthy and lazy from all that extra weight, and weak mentally because I couldn't stop. Meditation and prayer does help in that regard - they teach you mental discipline, which is the key to a problem like that. When I disciplined myself losing the weight became easy. Changing my priorities, changing my diet, changing the quantities of what I ate, and keeping it that way, was all made possible by mental discipline and proper regimentation. If you can't put yourself on a daily prayer/meditation schedule, well, you're not organized enough to stop being a fat fuck either. So in that way it is connected, a little bit.
Yep and check this out...
https://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/the-do-nothing-approach-to-illness-your-ticket-to-wellness/
https://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/the-do-nothing-approach-to-illness-your-ticket-to-wellness/
Yeah, the issue isn't the medicine, but the bureaucracies and the backward focus on treatment through drugs rather than prevention and healthy living.
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I try to go about business as usual as much as I can, get plenty of fluids and fast. Was feeling under the weather on Monday and an with as rain today. Was almost 💯 by the end of the day yesterday, actually.
@_Seraphim_ @Eleutheria2 @Escoffier @TrevorGoodchild @threalist That's just Umbrella Corp. with extra steps
True. But the palpable easing of my incredibly sore throat and amazingly congested sinuses seem a bit more corporeal.
I also took my Wife's Herb Tincture. It was a mighty combination.
@feralphilosophernc @Myshkin @BattleDwarfGimli @HockeyDoxie @lovelymiss Well would any other steam emitting hot liquid have the same effect?
@Escoffier @BattleDwarfGimli @lovelymiss TFW I believe in meditation granting access to ancestral memory but am too spergy and ADHD riddled to do it…
Meditation is extremely difficult. I have achieved "No Mind" a tiny handful of times, but I always fuck it up by realizing that I have, and thinking about it.
That shit is hard. People laugh and make jokes about it, but try it some time (those of you who haven't). Just sit still, and empty your mind. When it happens, you'll know it, but the moment you recognize that you have achieved mushin (no mind), you've undone it and have to start all over again. It can be very frustrating and confusing.
@Eleutheria2 @threalist @Escoffier 70% of "lifestyle" problems can be solved by not being a sedentary fat fuck
"If the physologic effects of 'regular exercise' were a pill it would be the most prescribed medication on the planet."
"If the physologic effects of 'regular exercise' were a pill it would be the most prescribed medication on the planet."
@threalist Amen brother. There's no profit in healthy people
Not lastingly, no. I needed to amp my system for full purgative effect. The fasting and the tincture told my body "Take out the trash and use these tools".
@TrevorGoodchild @Eleutheria2 @threalist You are 100% correct with one caveat. The obese person is constantly running on an empty gas tank. When you are in a constant state of high insulin your body stores the energy (fat) but it refuses to release it.
Trust me I know.
But when you keep those insulin levels low through some intervention like a keto diet it allows your body to tap into the energy stores again.
It was something like 11 months into doing a keto diet that I woke up one day and had energy.
Trust me I know.
But when you keep those insulin levels low through some intervention like a keto diet it allows your body to tap into the energy stores again.
It was something like 11 months into doing a keto diet that I woke up one day and had energy.
As usual I don’t say enough
I think that you, your own body, can make a big difference in the outcome of any treatment you apply. Depending on how deeply you believe it will work, the placebo effect shows us how powerful the mind is.
I think that you, your own body, can make a big difference in the outcome of any treatment you apply. Depending on how deeply you believe it will work, the placebo effect shows us how powerful the mind is.
Facts.
What has always baffled me is that anyone who has tried exercising knows it factually releases endorphins and makes you feel better. Having experienced the feeling, why do so many people have a hard time hitting the gym or the outdoors for exercise. Exercising outdoors is like a double fucking whammy.
I totally have felt some days where I'm mentally drained and just don't want to do it, but it shouldn't be too hard to overcome normally. It's like an inability to realize a benefit that's just within reach because of some present moment chain holding you back. That concept is definitely as real as the psychological good effects though, I've seen it in so many people.
What has always baffled me is that anyone who has tried exercising knows it factually releases endorphins and makes you feel better. Having experienced the feeling, why do so many people have a hard time hitting the gym or the outdoors for exercise. Exercising outdoors is like a double fucking whammy.
I totally have felt some days where I'm mentally drained and just don't want to do it, but it shouldn't be too hard to overcome normally. It's like an inability to realize a benefit that's just within reach because of some present moment chain holding you back. That concept is definitely as real as the psychological good effects though, I've seen it in so many people.
Not untrue. But, having a good baseline helps tremendously...
@DMA @TrevorGoodchild @Eleutheria2 @threalist It had so many positive effects like culling dumb people
I 100% can feel the differences in my mood in the morning and through the rest of the day on HIIT days versus days when I don't do it. It's Night and fucken Day and it's demonstrable and repeatable.
I've trained myself to turn that "I really don't feel like it" urge into my instinct to get out there and exercise. The more you blow off exercise the harder exercise becomes.
@BattleDwarfGimli @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @lovelymiss To be clear when I say meditation has zero medical value I mean to stitch up a wound or as I said to reduce weight. It probably has benefits but of a more oblique nature.
Well ya, you can’t be a fucking idiot ;)
Im assuming we all have a grasp on the basics.
Im assuming we all have a grasp on the basics.
Yeah, it’s definitely real. Took me years of trying in various ways just to get an inkling of the feeling- let alone to utilize the phenomenon “on demand” for things like fine motor skills (e.g, presentation from concealment.) It’s hard to explain to someone who has never experienced it, but it’s seems to be similar to “flow state” that most people have experienced at least once. Tachypsychia is another interesting experience.
I think I went a little bit too far with the “Mushin” concept once I finally got the hang of it, in all honesty. I got to the point of keeping my mind perpetually “clear” and a lot about me seems to have become more ”autonomous“ over the years, however weird that sounds.
I think I went a little bit too far with the “Mushin” concept once I finally got the hang of it, in all honesty. I got to the point of keeping my mind perpetually “clear” and a lot about me seems to have become more ”autonomous“ over the years, however weird that sounds.
In the conversation, or Fedi as a whole? 😏 My agreement with your statement hinges on the answer. 😉
I do a 30 minute standing HIIT routine, but it REALLY is that easy and takes that little time to set yourself up for a great day.
Intentionally trying to target Zone 2 heart rate so I'm in the fat burning zone.
That's what I did too. I recognized that my brain was being gay and what it really meant was to go exercise and I'd thank myself later. Now even after a day of doing all outdoor labor I can still go lift weights or hop on an elliptical because I know somehow I'll find the energy and feel better afterwards.
I used to do that but I wasn't zoned for it, got sick of paying those jewish fines.
@_Seraphim_ @BattleDwarfGimli @lovelymiss @Escoffier @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired Same kind of thing happened to me. I used to overthink just about everything. But once I emptied my mind, I enjoyed the experience so much it didn’t occur to me until years later I might have gone a bit too far with it. I can still think deeply, but it’s nigh impossible to take up the habit as incessantly-yet-naturally as it had been.
Thank you! I credit my unique collection of Chromosome #21s
@Eleutheria2 @threalist @Escoffier @TrevorGoodchild There's so much chemicals and unhealthy shit in our food, it's nuts.
Who'd have thunk that the Jewish century would result in vast swathes of people being chronically ill and needing ((their)) alleged cures.
It's a system built to make us chronically ill, and then we're fed treatments that keep us chronically on the hook. A few at the top can afford to pay the Jew ransom and so get off that hook, but it costs top dollar.
When we're in control, don't let the medical industry kikes and their fellow travellers slink away. Remember the amount of pain an anguish, medically, financially, they visited on desperate Americans.
Who'd have thunk that the Jewish century would result in vast swathes of people being chronically ill and needing ((their)) alleged cures.
It's a system built to make us chronically ill, and then we're fed treatments that keep us chronically on the hook. A few at the top can afford to pay the Jew ransom and so get off that hook, but it costs top dollar.
When we're in control, don't let the medical industry kikes and their fellow travellers slink away. Remember the amount of pain an anguish, medically, financially, they visited on desperate Americans.
I Just think it’s crazy to go for a pill or a pharmaceutical until you have exhausted every other possibility.
Yes. We are, and this is not exaggeration in any way, made up ENTIRELY of what we eat and drink. If you feel like shit, you're likely that way because eating what you've eaten has made you into shit. Fix the foundations before you repaint the house.
Did you notice that it helped you manage tremendous stress better? I think that’s the aspect of the phenomenon that kept me going back to it once I realized that I had that capacity.
I was only interested in the benefit to sheer manual performance, but it gradually evolved into mastery over self and the inner world.
It’s not that I don’t experience severe psychological pain and crushing anxiety when I’m in those types of situations, but that clarity of “no mind” gives me perfect control over the suppression/elimination of those emotions and thoughts. I can turn them off and mute them. My mind is like the surface of still water- and when there is a disturbance, I can stop the “ripples.” I can go from feeling a heaviness in my chest to what I can only describe as “thoughtlessness,” “formlessness,” or “emptiness” in a split second.
I don’t have ANY “precursor thoughts.” My words and actions come from nothingness. Consciousness (for me) feels more like a “signal” that I am “receiving” than something being transmitted from me.
Odd stuff.
I was only interested in the benefit to sheer manual performance, but it gradually evolved into mastery over self and the inner world.
It’s not that I don’t experience severe psychological pain and crushing anxiety when I’m in those types of situations, but that clarity of “no mind” gives me perfect control over the suppression/elimination of those emotions and thoughts. I can turn them off and mute them. My mind is like the surface of still water- and when there is a disturbance, I can stop the “ripples.” I can go from feeling a heaviness in my chest to what I can only describe as “thoughtlessness,” “formlessness,” or “emptiness” in a split second.
I don’t have ANY “precursor thoughts.” My words and actions come from nothingness. Consciousness (for me) feels more like a “signal” that I am “receiving” than something being transmitted from me.
Odd stuff.
@Escoffier @BattleDwarfGimli @lovelymiss Just kicking up the ole survival genes into high gear, as a treat.
@BattleDwarfGimli @Escoffier @lovelymiss Proper diet including herbs with nutritional value (as well as medicinal) is the way to go. I'm looking at putting in an herb garden here next spring. It also dovetails with continuing work on getting or making everything I need locally.
@Escoffier Let's not knock the wonders of germ theory and modern medical science.
All the same let's not falsely equate Big Pharma and a profit driven industry that relies on repeat customers, and indulges in insane eye-watering mark-ups on everything, with medical science/knowledge.
Some eccentric White men studying milk maids for uh...the good of his fellow man...is different from some suspiciously big nosed looking pharma exec or hospital manager rubbing his hands curiously raw.
Still a more natural diet and lifestyle probably does go a long way to preventing many of those diseases you mention. And let's not completely discount herbal folk knowledge, for minor ailments anyway.
"Trusting the science" too much is why a worrying proportion of America is jabbed up with a sketchy "VaCcInE" for a sketchy virus.
All the same let's not falsely equate Big Pharma and a profit driven industry that relies on repeat customers, and indulges in insane eye-watering mark-ups on everything, with medical science/knowledge.
Some eccentric White men studying milk maids for uh...the good of his fellow man...is different from some suspiciously big nosed looking pharma exec or hospital manager rubbing his hands curiously raw.
Still a more natural diet and lifestyle probably does go a long way to preventing many of those diseases you mention. And let's not completely discount herbal folk knowledge, for minor ailments anyway.
"Trusting the science" too much is why a worrying proportion of America is jabbed up with a sketchy "VaCcInE" for a sketchy virus.
@WTFPurpleAlpaca Agree completely. Remove the poisons and toxins and see what remains
@BattleDwarfGimli @lovelymiss @Escoffier treating symptomatic illness with naturopathic meds is a losing battle. Modern medicine was created to pump the body full of fast acting petrochemicals that happen to also kill illness (or mask it).
There are treatments that a naturopath can provide that are close to the same level of effectiveness, and some that can treat illness that modern medicine can't touch. They aren't apples to apples though.
There are treatments that a naturopath can provide that are close to the same level of effectiveness, and some that can treat illness that modern medicine can't touch. They aren't apples to apples though.
@_Seraphim_ @Eleutheria2 @TrevorGoodchild @threalist And I would put Gary Taubes in charge of it
@_Seraphim_ @BattleDwarfGimli @lovelymiss @Escoffier @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired Oh no doubt; it was more or less the beginning of my ability to act with sincere courage, at all. Basically everything significant before that was calculated.
@TrevorGoodchild @Eleutheria2 @threalist @Escoffier speaking of this, did you see the new study about avoiding sugar in the first 1000 days of life?
@sickburnbro @TrevorGoodchild @Eleutheria2 @threalist @Escoffier I haven't, please link
No do you have a quick link or do I need to go into the wilds and find it? I'm curious if my wife has read it (I'm guessing she has).
@ThePoastmasterGeneral @Escoffier @BattleDwarfGimli @lovelymiss > What you eat to begin with is 99% of the medicine you should need in your life.
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She does magical things with her hands, I won't deny...
@sickburnbro @VikingWays @Eleutheria2 @TrevorGoodchild @threalist I think the philosophical breakthrough we are still waiting for on this subject is that sugar, wheat and starch are hormone disrupters.
It's like you're trying to get her shoahed
She weighs less than a duck. Should I be worried?
