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@lucy@netzsphaere.xyz we still have some democracy left. future's not looking good, but still
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look at what people vote for and tell me again that what they need is more democracy.Look at what people vote for? I'd say the USA needs a little more democracy than choosing between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich every four years.
Of course the results are going to suck if you're going to organize a winner takes all race and these are your options.
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@lucy@netzsphaere.xyz @kurimu@mk.absturztau.be Saying "democracy sucks" because the current pseudo-democracy system doesn't actually give people good options is the most doomposting shit ever.
Think of ways to do actual democracy, like abolishing the electoral college, forcing the two main parties to split into smaller parties, introducing binding referendums, etc.
Or if you're more hardcore: Fully abolishing representative "democracy" altogether, removing the cult personality and switching to a system of direct and/or liquid democracy.
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great idea ngl.
also balkanization might help a lot to fix this.
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do you know what that system actually does
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@icedquinn@blob.cat @lucy@netzsphaere.xyz @kurimu@mk.absturztau.be I know exactly what the electoral college does; it enables gerrymandering, enables a winner takes all system, puts the entire election in the hands of a handful of swing-states and makes it so that a Wyoming vote is worth 4 times as much as a California vote.
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> makes it so that a Wyoming vote is worth 4 times as much as a California vote.
> California: 52 seats
> Wyoming: 3 seats
math
> gerrymandering
the college has no opinion on how votes are apportioned
> winner take all
absolute falsity please have your brain serviced https://apnews.com/article/nebraska-maine-president-electoral-votes-district-omaha-90382054c29f546fd65a7e7cc5094801
> puts the entire election in the hands of a handful of swing-states
this is literally just because the demographics in those states stays relatively fixed. swing states are ones where high amounts of both parties tend to live and be politically active.
@lucy @kurimu
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@icedquinn@blob.cat @lucy@netzsphaere.xyz @kurimu@mk.absturztau.be I hope you realize most other countries don't do this, and for good reason.
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@icedquinn@blob.cat @lucy@netzsphaere.xyz @kurimu@mk.absturztau.be
In California there are 800k people represented by one electoral vote, while in Wyoming there are only 200k people represented by one electoral vote. You're the one who doesn't understand math.makes it so that a Wyoming vote is worth 4 times as much as a California vote.California: 52 seats
Wyoming: 3 seats
:blobcatgoogly: math
Also, abolishing the electoral college is not an unpopular opinion.
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@icedquinn@blob.cat @lucy@netzsphaere.xyz @kurimu@mk.absturztau.be Just because a small amount of states do something else does not mean that "winner takes all" is still the norm in most other states.
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@icedquinn@blob.cat @lucy@netzsphaere.xyz @kurimu@mk.absturztau.be Also the fact that you can win the election while losing the popular vote is absolutely nuts.
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@icedquinn@blob.cat @lucy@netzsphaere.xyz @kurimu@mk.absturztau.be No, you get me wrong. I believe that "winner takes all" should not be possible even if a state wants that.
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i had to re-check this part but its based in part on the maximum size of congress, which is why it doesn't have a perfect ratio to population.
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@naruciakk@ak.kawen.space @lain@lain.com @kurimu@mk.absturztau.be @lucy@netzsphaere.xyz I might be European criticizing American "democracy" but before we go into this discussion I just want to say that I do not think the European Union is very democratic either.
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if a state wishes to just literally fucking sortition a candidate--it can do that. would it be retarded? probably! but they can do it. the federation doesn't decide how people do their shit, only how much influence they're mandated with.
i don't believe it solves the fundamental issue of one or two hive cities controlling entire states (something a popular vote does), but it wasn't really meant to do that so much as when we created it there were still arguments over who should be entitled to vote or not
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@naruciakk@ak.kawen.space @icedquinn@blob.cat @lucy@netzsphaere.xyz @kurimu@mk.absturztau.be If you abolished the electoral college and just went with popular vote there would be no discussion if gerrymandering is real or not, because it can't exist.
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@newt@stereophonic.space @icedquinn@blob.cat @lucy@netzsphaere.xyz @kurimu@mk.absturztau.be And the electoral college prevents this how?
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@arcana@fedi.layer02.net @lain@lain.com @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @lucy@netzsphaere.xyz untag me pls? 🥺👉👈
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It was supposed to be that your local state was where all the action was, and the federal government was just common defense and regulating interstate trade. Unfortunately, the one ring is too attractive for most to leave alone, and so the powers of the government grew and now it matters a whole lot who the president is because they regulate so much of your life.
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@sj_zero @newt @icedquinn @SuperDicq @kurimu @lucy The whole point of Project 2025 is that billionaires want a new Gilded Age, unsafe working conditions and a national sales tax.
You are so screwed. You. Personally. Are. Screwed. You think the Lord And Master won't bother his servant, but he will.
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Does Donald Trump strike you as a sneaky ninja who sneaks around with a secret agenda? Because in my view he's an idiot, the sort of guy who screams out his move like an anime if he's in a fight.
If that was what he planned to do, he'd be sitting there bragging about it like he brags about everything else.
I. Personally. Am not ruled by Biden, Trump, or Harris. I already have a national sales tax (exceptionally high taxes overall in fact), and universal healthcare.
@sj_zero @icedquinn @SuperDicq @kurimu @lucy @newt Many many lies except it was written by his staff, it's online for all to read (I have) and starts out by saying not only do they expect him to accept their recommendations, he has a history of doing so.
He will eat you alive. He lied repeatedly. Do you even know how often? How many signs of dementia he was showing?
Do you not understand that his vice president expects to become Emperor of Rome when he dies?
surely congress didn't spend the last 20 years systematically dismantling the guard rails against presidents doing anything weird
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What this feminists do not get is that's no accident.
It was DESIGNED to be that way.
Or more precisely to avoid having elections designed by demsely populuted cities ( which, ironically, is where most progressives live ); this is what the founding fathers called the "tyranny of the majority".
This feminists think that system is an "error" or worse, moronic concepts like "a system designed to perpetuate patriarchy" , when actually is a system designed to stop Starism on it's track.
Yeah, in a way, it's not a system to "perpetuate patriarchy " but to stop THEM from perpetuating into power.
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True.
But avoids California and New York from deciding the elections
@icedquinn @SuperDicq @kurimu @lucy @sj_zero @newt The president does that himself. The only candidate who promised to roll back power was Hillary.
No one will be there to stop him, FYI. The dudes who did last time endorsed Kamala.
congress does this. and there is a congressional override if he doesn't sign such a limitation.
@icedquinn @SuperDicq @kurimu @lucy @sj_zero @newt No, it isn't.
Checks and balances only works if you believe in checks and balances.
PSST: Trump is one of the guys who doesn't.
@icedquinn @SuperDicq @kurimu @lucy @sj_zero @newt Did you miss what he said about the constitution?
W called it a "piece of paper". Trump wants to get rid of the paper.
other than the fact this line of reasoning is patently retarded its perfect.
I write long posts not because I'm an authority on anything -- I'm just a retard on the internet who lives in a backwater corner of nowhere -- I write to try to organize my thoughts and hope to understand things based on what facts I know or at least think I know.
@icedquinn @SuperDicq @kurimu @lucy @sj_zero @newt He left office because the military refused to support his coup.
There you go. The bare facts that you like to dance around.
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@SuperDicq @kurimu @lucy @sj_zero @LostInCalifornia @newt
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though at this point the acid test is if they believe the easily falsified very fine people line or not. if they can't get past that being a lie then i don't care what they say, because even the fact checkers who hate the man admit that was a disingenuous edit job
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@icedquinn @SuperDicq @kurimu @lucy @sj_zero @newt The "rule of law"? You mean the constitutional rule that the veep reads out the name of the winner of the election which Trump pretended was annointing anyone Pence wanted it to be?
The pro forma boring part of the election honoring the will of the people, and not some made up jackassery the fake electors wanted to make up? The same made up jackassery his former chief of staff is being tried for, and for which the courts have refused to move to federal court because he could pardon any criminal he wants convicted under federal law?
That rule of law? Or are you some guy who thinks the rule of law is written down in the sheriff's book of secrets?
> rule of law doesn't exist because reasons
> the military enforced it though
you appear to be retarded. good day
@SuperDicq @kurimu @lucy @sj_zero @newt
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@icedquinn @SuperDicq @kurimu @lucy @sj_zero @newt The rule of law is that the winner of the Electoral College is read out after an election, unless you're a Trump supporter, it seems.
Then it's only a guideline to be ignored unless it helps Trump. We see you fascists. We see you.
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they redraw the lines all the time hoping they can cut it in such a way that the rounding errors clip out the opposing party.
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you could probably generate them with a quasirandom algorithm as well.
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This actually happened, but it was overturned for next election iirc. Hard to say with no sleep.
@LostInCalifornia @lucy @SuperDicq @newt @icedquinn @sj_zero @kurimu > promised
@FourOh-LLC @lucy @SuperDicq @newt @icedquinn @sj_zero @LostInCalifornia @kurimu Trump is funny and charming, I'm not american, would want to be american someday, and that'd be enough fot me to vote for him
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like superdicq noted it results in some bizzare constrained proportioning where a state with sixty times the population doesn't have sixty times the influence nodes
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@sun_eater @lucy @SuperDicq @newt @icedquinn @sj_zero @FourOh-LLC @LostInCalifornia @kurimu i do seem older than i am, and it's my mom who likes gore more then i do
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@sj_zero Government is cancer and evidently even a well thought out constitution can’t stop it from growing.
The problem is that both constitutions are just pieces of paper in the face of a culture that wants to expand the powers of government. If the constitution is like a safe door, safe doors are only rated to successfully repel attacks for a certain period of time and every safe is capable of being breached given enough time and money.
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