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It occurs to me that one reason why celebrities were so weak at convincing people to vote for their preferred candidate this time is that they can't even convince people to go see their crappy movies or listen to their crappy albums.

Back in 2016 there was still a chance one of them might put out a movie people like, or an album people like, but it's been 8 years, and lots of people don't even have netflix anymore because virtually nothing worth watching has come out for almost 10 years! "Oh, it's all those people who can't make a movie or an album, and they're telling us to do something. Huh."

@sj_zero Like Emenim. He used to be edgy and a guy giving the finger to the establishment supposedly. Now he just sucks up to it.

They all fake bro you know?

Oh yeah.

lol "I'm Eminem! I like Men! My pronouns are they and them!"

Turns out Eminem was the mask, he was Ken Kaniff all along!

@sj_zero Haha truth bro.

There's probably some dude rapping into his laptop in a shitty apartment somewhere doing way cooler shit too.

Samson's political stuff was great, but he was like "fuck this I want to do actual rap again" and he's still damn good.

I'm not actually huge into Tom McDonald, I just don't feel his stuff for the most part.

@sj_zero Yeah I listen to him sometimes. I'm glad he's out there tho, its good to have more voices that aren't all up hollywoods butt.

Now with cheap computers and software pretty much anyone can make music which I think is great.

Like back in the day man, you had to go trhough MTV and all those record companies to get anything out and people were forced to tow the line.

Yeah, big reason for everyone to try to put something out there. Write a book, sing a song, do some art, whatever. There's a huge gap and it's slowly getting filled by people who do something and it turns out people really like it. (of course, accept that your thing probably won't be that, but hey nothing ventured nothing gained)

@sj_zero I think what makes a big difference are the people just making music or being creative just for the sake of it. Those are the artists.

Being famous is never good for that, I mean the music just goes downhill.

A lot of people like 90's era stuff but idk I always found most of it as plastic as the pop stars you see on tv. Not knocking people who like it but I just think underground types are more interesting.

@sj_zero I think what makes a big difference are the people just making music or being creative just for the sake of it. Those are the artists.

Being famous is never good for that, I mean the music just goes downhill.

A lot of people like 90's era stuff but idk I always found most of it as plastic as the pop stars you see on tv. Not knocking people who like it but I just think underground types are more interesting.

Even in college, a lot of the stuff I'd listen to is stuff made by people I knew. It was back when dinosaurs roamed the earth so it wasn't like you could fit a lot on a 32MB MP3 player.

Actually, saying that got me to try to dig down the rabbit hole to find the songs again, and I was able to track down an archive.org version of the website, but all the songs are gone and I found out the band basically gave up around 2005 and probably never put out any more songs. It's crazy because it really makes you realize how transient a lot of the old Internet was. The webpage is gone, the server hosting his email is gone, the other websites he links to are gone. Even my own files, I've got stuff from older computers, but one dead hard drive and you lost everything back then (especially if you were too dumb to at least try to make CD backups), so there's a lot that's just dust in the wind, never coming back.

This is a real rabbit hole now... I can't believe the fan fiction site I used to read back in 2000 is still up.... (don't look into the light, it's bad for you, it'll swallow your soul and make you a furry)
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@sj_zero Thats funny man I was just thinking about the same shit.

I had a couple of friends that played in a surf punk band. Basically a man or astroman ripoff but it was fun. They were known enough to have a website with a message board and such. It was a blast going to see them and jumping around while getting drunk on dark beer.

I can't find it anymore because it had some wild internet address but you're so right. Remember back then how every other link was dead lol?

I had zipdisks full of mp3 files. Id love to recover that stuff someday, but yeah I had a creative labs mp3 player. I dont remember the storage you could upload a few albums worth of songs there.