"Because #bluesky is also a digital space that we've created, you can't opt out of our moderation service in our client."
This is where their power lies, what proves they won't ever be decentralized but also what makes them welcoming to X refugees. It's probably also what made Jack Dorsey leave for #nostr. Relays without any moderation.
Moderation is hard and imo it's often too restrictive here. But it's totally necessary. The right balance is what supports the best conversations. #SocialWeb
You don't have to choose between all or nothing. The best balance is to treat each instance as a mini community. It isn't about free speech, it's about freedom of association. Each instance should focus on curating a culture, but activity pub connects all the instances allowing the freedom of ideas.
The biggest limitation right now is hosting.
@threalist @wjmaggos hi, interesting discussion.
What is the limitation regarding hosting?
This cannot be undone, this cannot be hidden. The fucking Corporations did this, and the reason does not matter a bit. Trump was STILL the sitting POTUS, and they kicked the sitting POTUS.
I want to make sure people who come to Fediverse understand why Corporations shall never be allowed to force us to use their "connectors". This is why I bother with my own nodes, pinned by my own DNS stack.
Its not cheap to host your own nodes, but I pay for them and they are mine. Nobody is going to kick me OFF my own platforms.
we're gonna need a lot more companies like @mastohost.
re instance culture, I think I strongly disagree. that's a layer most people don't want to think about but one that is 100% needed if we want to be effectively decentralized. only the hardcore are gonna care about instance culture. it would be very easy to have a few huge instances run by mega corps.
I think our best approach is a new norm of no abuse but most else that's legal goes, then have instances based around locality.
here, he could have his own instance and you can choose to federate with him or not. you can choose a server that does or doesn't or run your own. ideally he'd have different accounts, one for govt and one for personal/politics. and no algo that says you need to see what he says cause he's the president or it was really outrageous etc. Your righteous anger is not just about the corporations and politics but also caused by norms and system structure.
As long as it is understood that the Fediverse is owner-operated, its the only network operated by owners. Large centralized nodes like NAS or POAST are not helping in growing the number of nodes - if anything they create hell-treads which helps nothing and nobody.
This is not about "debating ideas", this is about accepting the facts.
Would be nice if you could say "only keep 2 weeks of content"
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@threalist @patrickleavy @wjmaggos I think you can with some software. Didnβt old NAS auto delete after a set period?
The namespace should be hosted on your own DNS stack, so you have 100% control over the subdomains, URL shorteners, e-mail configurations, and so forth.
When you are on a Corporate network all you can do is mouth off. You have no control in anything. You are The Product.
The Fediverse is a chance to build and sustain far greater capacity than just mouth off, you have the opportunity to build something complex yet cohesive.
Not to mention that with the DNS infra under your control you have the opportunity to bridge into blockchains and into the future.
The owner-operators of the Fediverse are not a Product, they are the Industrial Capacity to create any product.
@Flick @threalist @patrickleavy @wjmaggos There were several old spinsters who asked for that feature here, but have now left (Trunchbull for one).
Per-community moderation is not ideal. It creates much duplicate work, and lends itself to moderation via cutting off entire nodes that are less restrictive than your community. It also enforces one-size-fits-all within communities. I appreciate BS' subscription-based moderation approach, and I wish something like that was available per-server and per-user. I want to be able to subscribe to a trusted group identifying csam and hard-reject that at the server level, then apply server-level defaults via feeds that users can disable per-feed if desired, and let users select additional feeds if desired. While this may sound "per-community", the difference is that the subscription approach means the work of actually doing the moderation only has to happen once, amd then each community can choose to take advantage of it (or not). For BS, where they go wrong is having an overarching moderation subscription that no one is allowed to opt out of that will always be subject to abuse and manipulation.
So the per-community baseline is zero moderation when the Fediverse is mostly owner-operated.
The issues arise with NAS, where the "community" is a fucking Zoo.
@threalist @wjmaggos ah yes, I see.
I think the solution to that is that everyone hosts their own data. Then they can make that choice.
@polarisera @threalist @patrickleavy @wjmaggos Presumably they wanted it so that their personal posts would vanish, rather than for data management reasons? Did anyone explain to them how federation works? (Or did they want that disabled as well?)
@Flick @threalist @patrickleavy @wjmaggos They didn't want people digging through hold posts to piece together a doxxing.
@Flick @threalist @patrickleavy @wjmaggos Trashdove was deeply worried about being found out in her covid-tyranny country. And saddened by the all the pro-covid, pro-tyranny spinsters.
@sun@shitposter.world @wjmaggos@liberal.city This reminds me of my rant from a few months ago, about instances that block other instances, because they dont block instances that thjey block. And the rhetoric question how deep you wanna check for those occurences.
@sun@shitposter.world @wjmaggos@liberal.city I think it was on my dead and deleted instance. Sorry :s