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@Bleukitty

you had me at "women's rights mean nothing"

@Bleukitty

Women's rights are depending on men protecting their rights from other men who don't

@EvolLove

Fact.

@Bleukitty

In a way, doesn't that make it more of a privilege than a right?

There are many things that I would like to claim is my right. But at the end of the day I only get what I can accomplish on m y own.

I don't really have any rights at all unless I am capable of defending them.

Which, even though I am a man, I am not capable of defending anything against a tyrannical government.

In the end we are all just co existing. It is more about our culture and values and not about rights.

Yes, and the contemporary concept of liberalism (classical liberalism) is a modernist concept dating back just a few hundred years. That doesn't mean freedom didn't exist, but the idea of liberty as a totalizing framework is quite new because totalizing frameworks are themselves a quite recent invention. Unfortunately, even conservatism got caught up in the modernist totalizing impulse and so became just another totalizing ideology one could follow. What was conservative in the modernist period did not truly resemble what came before. Other alternatives also are built on the same foundation -- socialism, fascism, they're just different outgrowths of modernity and it's totalizing impulse.

Even postmodernism quickly collapsed into a modernist ideology because it's simpler that way.

Really interesting to realize what happened to all humanity around the time of the French revolution.
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@sj_zero @djsumdog @Bleukitty

Rights are an illusion.

No one on this planet has any rights.

Even if we demand that other people give us rights it is still a delusion.

Unless we are talking about the rights given to us by god.

The right to marry and have a family
The right to personal property
Freedom of thought
Redemption
Justification
Righteousness
Sanctification

But we gradually loosing these rights. Once viewed as given to us by God.