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Grok starts getting nervous when it sees you're about to discover the truth about asbestos.

In countries like vietnam and mexico, there is one type of asbestos which remains in common use. Grok did not find anything notable in the way of disputing asbestos toxicity, but based on how much accepted mainstream consensus is bullshit, it's worth asking.

Also apparently there was a point in time when people believed that fiberglass was carcinogenic, but then they decided that it's not.

So the way I see it, there is a world in which fiberglass and asbestos are both similarly dangerous, but political powers decided to give fiberglass a pass but treat asbestos as radioactive, likely to fuck over the companies who made asbestos products...

It is fine, our teacher even gave us some to play around. It's just a stone.
The fibre is the dangerous thing.

So when the OP talks about glass fibre I think it's the 'glass-wool'-type fibre, not fibre optics.

So, asbestos is fine, like glass is fine.
Just don't inhale tiny strings made out of it.

"Accepted" "Mainstream" "Science" claims that asbestos fibers are special in their cancer-causing ability, different from other sharp fibrous dust that is impossible to break down.

Sorry, according to Grok, that's not actually not quite accurate. It says that the problem with asbestos is that the fibers are:
1. Really small (0.1 to 10 micrometer)
2. Never (ever) break down

Fiberglass insulation is 5-25 micrometer, and it does, eventually, break down in the lungs.

However, Refractory Ceramic Fibers (e.g. Kaowool), used in stove insulation, have a similar profile to asbestos and animal studies show lung cancer and mesothelioma risks but in humans "Not Enough Data"... And that stuff you can buy at a hardware store.

Theres at least three types of asbestos that i know off the top of my head, theres the blue and brown which are really bad news, and the white which is the least bad.

Trust me, you dont want that shit in your lungs, ever. It embeds itself in the air sacs causing edema and inflammation and youre never getting it out. If they dig your corpse up in two hundred years, those asbestos fibres will be right there in your chest cavity

Oh and back in the day there was a brand of smokes that had fucking asbestos filters.

> Trust me, you dont want that shit in your lungs, ever.

I can understand that, but, how much do I want like fiberglass insulation, or carbon fiber dust, in my lungs either?

Or companies that made alternatives to asbestos, like stuff that is patented.

Recall the DuPont involvement in criminalizing marijuana as they had just at that time patented nylon.

@cjd @3c724e489aad44923f13c3ea5d37c993fd108fceab1399c9cbdeda498ee944f3 @threalist

Smoke unfiltered, got it.

I never understood it.

Smoking for me means cigar.
The entire concept of a cigarette is already undermining the aesthetic.
Now you put a filter on it?
What's next, some electronic doodad that tastes like strawberries?

@cjd @dsm @threalist Do you prefer you cigars cut or uncut?

@cjd @3c724e489aad44923f13c3ea5d37c993fd108fceab1399c9cbdeda498ee944f3 @threalist I used to smoke when I drank. A wonderful mix. Then they banned smoking at the bar. Fine, a bottle with friends is cheaper anyway. The point is 'for your health' is just an exploit for intrusive control.

@Marakus @cjd @threalist

Please prescribe me cocaine.

I don't smoke, I just sit on the sidelines and make comments...

@cjd @dsm @3c724e489aad44923f13c3ea5d37c993fd108fceab1399c9cbdeda498ee944f3 @threalist pipes for me. but cigars are fun at social events