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Retards have a real hard time understanding why there's no point in rushing out the door to start a multiple hour long drive during rush hour. Trying to explain how it'll just add an extra 45 minutes of sitting in gridlock is like asking them how they'd feel if they hadn't eaten breakfast yesterday.

@Hoss "Flex hours" are your friend. I stagger my start/end times away from peak commute times, and it saves me a lot of headache.

@Hoss To be fair, the engineers are just as retarded thinking that adding more lanes until the end of time won’t just create induced demand, clogging up the highway even worse than it was before. Or failing to see how funneling every car in the city onto a handful of arterials from all the local and connector streets will inevitably overwhelm their capacity, no different from a river flooding when inundated with a host of seemingly inconsequential streams and rivlets after heavy rain.

Imagine flying just above the rush hour gridlock in one of these bad boys as you leave a trail of commuter seethe in your wake.

@Hoss @BionicNigga I read that as 'girlcock' and blame fedi for it

The Zesty Dreamer.

@Hoss @BionicNigga Inb4 tesla sells 5 million of them a year

I'd unironically buy one of these and illegally fly it to work every day if they're only $15-20k.

@BionicNigga @Hoss induced demand is cope for an unmaintained underspecced road network and niggers being allowed to drive cars.
Demand can only be induced to the point where everyone is where they need to go

@WandererUber @Hoss Not everything revolves around niggers, and no that’s the whole point is that the road isn’t underspecced, cars are just space-inefficient especially in our hierarchical road network, and adding more space is just inviting people to fill it back up.

>Not everything revolves around niggers
As an American, this statement does not compute. It's like you're asking me to divide by zero.

@WandererUber @BionicNigga @Hoss
>build roads in the 1970s and 1980s for a city half to a third of its current size
>finally getting around to adding 2 lanes to the freeway
>more people use the freeway
OMG GUYS IT'S INDUCED DEMAND THIS IS AN UNSOLVEABLE PROBLEM BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL JUST RANDOMLY START DRIVING AROUND FOR NO REASON AND IT'LL ALSO MAGICALLY SPAWN MORE CARS INTO EXISTENCE TO OCCUPY THE SPACE

Well yeah, isn't real life just like SimCity?

@skylar @BionicNigga @WandererUber @Hoss the dumbest thing is actual cities have started following induced demand. NYC reduced the amount of time garbage trucks came as they claimed having more trash runs would induce runs for more trash so by reducing them people would throw out less trash. This just led to garbage being everywhere and rats to be a problem again

@skylar @WandererUber @BionicNigga @Hoss Maybe importing over 80 million 3rd worlders to use up the infrastructure wasn't the net positive it was hyped as

@BionicNigga @Hoss induced demand doesn’t exist, deferred demand does.

@sapphire @Hoss That’s probably a better way of putting it actually since it’s pre-existing demand that simply wasn’t realized before because the capacity wasn’t there.

@BionicNigga @Hoss yeah but then people might start asking awkward questions like “why is this whole city stuck with infrastructure from the 60s”

@KaiserKitty @skylar @WandererUber @Hoss Yeah that doesn’t work for systems where there aren’t viable alternatives lmao. Garbage has to get disposed of one way or another, while with traffic alternative solutions exist such as transit or walking.

@BionicNigga @KaiserKitty @WandererUber @Hoss there are more reasonable alternatives to city run garbage collection than driving
like burn barrels, dumping it in someone else's dumpster, throwing it in a ditch, or just leaving it pile up

@BionicNigga @Hoss or “why is my entire state’s road budget lower than a single instance of US aid to Israel”

@Hoss Flying cars will only ever fill the niche currently filled by helicopters at best. They’re expensive, fragile, noisy, dangerous in the hands of idiots, can’t travel very far, have no infrastructure such as illuminated landing pads available, would be incredibly destructive in the event of a crash, and a ton of them buzzing around entirely uncoordinated in a major city would be a recipe for disaster.

Well yeah, that's why only I should be allowed to have one.

@skylar @BionicNigga @KaiserKitty @WandererUber @Hoss NYC for many years (maybe still) had a complex system of private trash contractors that only can pick up your trash between something like 1 and 4 am, and won't pick it up if a homeless tweaker rips open your trash bags to scavenge. Therefor "leaving it pile up" because the de facto policy.

@KaiserKitty @skylar @BionicNigga @WandererUber @Hoss
Here in Honolulu, there is a Mitsubishi incinerator that produces over 10% of the island’s electricity. They can’t wait too get more garbage.

THINK ABOUT IT.

@skylar @KaiserKitty @WandererUber @Hoss Of course but the point is that Jew York didn’t do any of those because they were trying to reduce trash in general because “muh planet”, it would be equivalent to destroying lanes without investing in transit infrastructure because the goal isn’t to reduce car traffic but people leaving the house in general.

Btw the Dutch have a really neat way of handling trash, instead of trash cans they have underground neighborhood trash containers where you just toss your bags on your way to wherever and then a truck periodically picks them up.

@BionicNigga @KaiserKitty @WandererUber @Hoss that's a stupid system that wouldn't work in america
expecting people to carry trash any farther than the curb is a recipe for disaster

@sapphire @Hoss Actually cities often apply for federal funding on road infrastructure so they have the budget for other things, which because of stupid regulations is how you end up with massive four-lane one-way stroads in a residential area near downtown with a design speed of like 55 MPH but a speed limit of 25 which people just ignore. The feds won’t fund smaller roads, so if you want it fixed you have to overengineer it into a drag strip to get any of it covered.

@BionicNigga @Hoss no, this is all funds, federal and otherwise. 8 billion dollars a year including anything to do with roads, federal and state funding. About what we give Israel when they want to roll a tank over a child's skull

@skylar @KaiserKitty @WandererUber @Hoss In American suburbs, yes. The Netherlands isn’t America though and for them it works just fine.

@BionicNigga @KaiserKitty @WandererUber @Hoss europeans are rule following enjoyers, shameful!

@skylar @WandererUber @BionicNigga @Hoss Imagine how traffic would be if we didn’t import infinity niggers

@Hoss I leave at 430 and start work at 6, my 65 mile commute takes about 58 minutes and I put the phone on the dash and watch anime during the drive

@Jonny @KaiserKitty @skylar @BionicNigga @Hoss they do this basically everywhere in the civilized world except mainland US.

@WandererUber @Jonny @KaiserKitty @skylar @BionicNigga @Hoss I wanted to say “not in Europe” but I missed that you said “civilized”

@lain @Jonny @KaiserKitty @skylar @BionicNigga @Hoss they do do this in europe

@WandererUber @Jonny @KaiserKitty @skylar @BionicNigga @Hoss what else do they “do” in europe

@lain @KaiserKitty @skylar @BionicNigga @WandererUber @Hoss
Pretty sure that butt sex was invented in Europe.

Pretty gross, jews.

@skylar @WandererUber @Hoss Congestion isn’t a new problem, and this has been observed everywhere that they’ve tried just adding more lanes. Traffic doesn’t just spawn out of nowhere, a lot of it is people who had been taking less direct but also less congested routes but switched to the arterial because of its increased capacity, for instance.

@BionicNigga @skylar @Hoss never understood how this is supposed to be the case when 90% of people use gps these days and it tells you where to go.

@WandererUber @skylar @Hoss Not for commutes. Although interestingly, Waze actually highlighted the safety problems with a lot of residential streets when it came out because it routed people around congested arterials and through obscure local streets increasing vehicle counts and people speeding through neighborhoods, which if the streets were built for human-friendly speeds of 10-15Mph wouldn’t be an issue. That might sound absurdly slow, but the good news is you wouldn’t even need stop signs and would maintain a higher overall speed than someone traveling 30Mph who has to stop for two minutes at every red light. For high traffic intersections you can build roundabouts.

@BionicNigga @WandererUber @Hoss seems like it'd be way easier to leave the roads normal and not fucked up and slow in some stupid quest for "safety" and simply teach people to look both ways before crossing the street

@BionicNigga @Hoss @WandererUber here's how we fix that mess chat
first, tear out the random fucking concrete in the middle of the road
second, buy some yellow and white paint and paint a center turn lane on there, so folks can turn left without delaying traffic behind them
at the ends of the road, we can do some medians for left turn lanes at the light there, perhaps some right turn lanes as well depending on traffic
if there's still room left in the road, designate some space for parking, but put a time limit on it, so deliveries and contractors and guests can park there, but residents park in their driveways and garages

@skylar @BionicNigga @Hoss this nigga plays a lot of skylines

@BionicNigga @WandererUber @skylar @Hoss Good idea, but cities can't even fill potholes these days let alone something more complex.

@Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @skylar @Hoss Ironically in large part because of budgetary problems due to over-built car infrastructure leading to inefficient land use and just being unsustainably expensive to maintain. Every square inch of pavement is a liability, not an asset, yet because of the auto lobby and utopian economic policies parking lots eat up half the land in our cities. Strong Towns writes about this, there’s also a short video about the economics of bad urban planning here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfQUOHlAocY

@BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss you know damn well what happens when cities ease off the minimum parking mandates: cheap developers provide as little parking as they can get away with, making the overflow everyone else's problem. literally tragedy of the commons with private profits & socialized losses.

there are major benefits to reducing density to a more manageable level, from reduced noise & light pollution, to breaking up urban heat island, to providing space for underground utilities, to allowing stormwater to seep into the ground and chill in a retention pond for a while reducing peak flow rates rather than immediately hitting an impermeable surface and rushing into the storm sewer at warp speed.

@BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @skylar @Hoss City slicker problem

Well designed suburbs don't have these issues

@skylar @WandererUber @Hoss Most civil engineers would agree, but your kids shouldn’t have to worry about getting flattened while playing in their own front yard for the convenience of 4,000 Lbs death machines that don’t even really benefit because of the congestion necessarily induced by traffic signals. Streets have always belonged to the people anyway, “jaywalking” is a forced meme invented by the auto lobby as a band-aid fix as part of their efforts to quell more substantial attempts to mitigate the dangers of cars that could cut into their profits, and you should be able to safely walk around in your own neighborhood, go to shops, and socialize without having to drive five miles to get anywhere or having to worry about drunk drivers hitting you at high speed. Traffic calming saves lives and improves quality of life for everyone.

@BionicNigga @WandererUber @Hoss i may be a vtuber and enjoy dumb women, but my kids will be smart enough to look both ways before crossing the street

your retarded traffic calming horseshit "improves" the lives of the dregs of society, while inconveniencing normal people just trying to get to work, run their errands, and get home. you are a spiritual leftist, caring more about the fent zombie too zoinked out of his gourd to know he's ambling along in the middle of the street than the hundreds of normal functioning people trying to drive there.

@professionalbigot69 @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss so true
we can tank 8 inches of rain overnight with no problems, cities start flooding at 1 inch in a couple hours, that's the magic of grass.

@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss paving over a bunch of ground for more road and parking doesn't do any of those...
The permaculture people talk a lot about how cities waste immense amounts of stormwater in arid areas

@WandererUber @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss it does when we dedicate some green space alongside it, like a big beautiful retention pond that captures the runoff from the parking lot, filters it through native vegetation to remove contaminants, and lets it run out at a slower rate. plus it looks nice to have plants and shit around instead of infinity buildings and a park the size of a postage stamp with a homeless encampment in it.

@skylar @BionicNigga @WandererUber @Hoss They have these in the Asian neighborhoods. Not in the colored or latinx ones/

@skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss Transit.

@BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss useless forced meme outside of new york city.

there are two ways to go: either you have enough buses/trains/trams for the schedules to line up as a remotely usable system and accept the fact that they'll be running 99% empty and you're just hemorrhaging money
or you run them based on ridership, and create a system not useful to anyone because they'd have to make the 4:30 bus and wait at the train station for 2 hours to get to work by 8

@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss Agree. Rare though.

@WandererUber @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss not here in the great plains, storms that drop a month or two worth of rain in a day are just normal.
but i can see why people in milder climates struggle with stormwater management, it's rarer to have big storms there.

@skylar @WandererUber @Hoss Normal people on their way to work don’t benefit from congestion, which is inevitable with car-only infrastructure, and allowing people to walk is immensely beneficial to public health and building a sense of community since you can chat up strangers more easily while running errands or just hanging out. Children not old enough to drive are completely at the mercy of adults to get anywhere, and have increasingly limited options for third places i.e. places to hang out besides home and school. Again, slowing traffic isn’t even bad for drivers because you still maintain a higher overall speed than at 30Mph stroads with constant red lights, and drivers actually love driving in the Netherlands because of the decreased traffic and quality infrastructure. Cities are for people to live in, not the validation of car companies’ utopian propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8RRE2rDw4k

@BionicNigga @WandererUber @Hoss congestion is not inevitable, you're pulling this out of your ass because nearly every american city is run by incompetents and government construction work is more about embezzlement than producing a functional finished product.
we can build a robust network of streets, arterial roads, and freeways that gets people around the entire metro area quickly and efficiently, even at rush hour.
we don't have to pretend we're a bunch of europoors stuck with cities built hundreds/thousands of years ago when only the baron could afford a carriage and the roman governor had a chariot.

children not being able to get around is a problem entirely caused by the excess of government regulation and the infestation of pigs and bureaucrats who exist to shake people down for permits and fees. it's a really simple solution: let kids operate smaller, lighter, less powerful vehicles than cars based on their age and maturity level. if 10 year old me could ride an ATV, so can today's kids.

@skylar @BionicNigga @WandererUber @Hoss 250,000 people live in and around Amarillo, I make a 60ish mile afternoon commute all the way across the city to my small town in less time than it took me to do 8 exits down mopac when I lived in Austin.

Jacksonville FL was nice too, roads built out like Houston but with the population of San Antonio

@skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss It is expensive, but then so is maintaining road infrastructure and endless parking lots for dying malls and parasitic big box stores. I’ll admit that in smaller towns reducing car dependence may not be realistic or even as desirable - they manage to make it work in the Netherlands but that doesn’t necessarily mean it would work here, and other European countries struggle with their transportation systems. But stroads and excessive parking are a financial blight on American cities, and when they’re an active threat to the public safety of our people it’s not unreasonable to look for a better way.

@BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss first off you gotta quit assuming all parking that's not constantly in use 24/7/365 is "excessive". the idea is to build for peak demand, so there's always capacity at other times.
civil engineers have put a lot of work into figuring out how much capacity is needed for buildings of various types and you're out here just totally dismissing that because you saw a mostly empty walmart once.

@Eleutheria2 @Hoss When I worked in The City I'd usually start at 5am, avoiding traffic but more importantly avoiding idiots with qu.

@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss >every city is just managed by retards, it could work in principle
>civil engineers have it all figured out

@WandererUber @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss the problems happen when a few city councilmen go on a fancy golf outing with the owner of Goldblatt Development LLC and then haha whoops all the planning backed up by studies goes out the window.

@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss >chat, meanwhile in new york city...

@DemonSixOne @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss don't forget the time somebody died on the subway and someone fucked the corpse

@skylar @BionicNigga @DemonSixOne @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss see bionic? Everything IS about niggers.

@skylar @BionicNigga @DemonSixOne @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss

VGH. SV DIVERSE.

@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss not the studies the walkable cities guys cite though, those are all bullshit

@WandererUber @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss unironically yes
60% of it is LOOK GUYS THIS ROAD WE INTENTIONALLY FUCKED UP IS 53% SAFER.......because now people are choosing other routes to go around it
39% is LOOK AT THIS CHERRY PICKED SELECTION OF ONE CITY'S DOWNTOWN THAT'S DOING WELL.....but please ignore the other 537 square miles of the same metro area that are also doing well despite being mostly traditional american suburb

@skylar @WandererUber @Hoss The alternative is sprawl, which is financial suicide. And putting kids in golf carts on stroads infested with giant SUV’s is not the brilliant solution you think it is. Thankfully there is another way.

@BionicNigga @WandererUber @Hoss tbh i want to live as far away from people like you as i possibly can
i don't want to be some faggy europoor riding a cringecycle at 10mph to get anywhere in constant fear of the police man writing a ticket for going 11mph and not having my toast on beans loicense on me, i want to drive my truck built for the north american market 80mph down the freeway, 50mph down the arterial road, then like 30mph down the local street, with an ice cold 128oz coke in the cup holder. i want my future kids to be able to take their dirtbike or ATV down to the gas station or the fast food place or the lake without getting hassled by pigs for loicenses and vehicle registration.

@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss they did the opposite in the video thougheverbeit. The suburbs are not doing well. they lose the cities money.

@WandererUber @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss SHOCKING REVELATION: places where people live cost money, places where people go to shop and work generate revenue

@skylar @BionicNigga @Hoss the ATV fan and the electric bicycle owner have more overlap than you think. An ATV is freedom in terrain, an electrified mountainbike is freedom in the city. You can go 50 in the park at night and it's fucking awesome. Nobody can hear shit

@BionicNigga @Hoss >Maybe I should live closer to the city so that I don’t have to deal with clogged highways?
*niggers*
>Never mind I’ll sit in traffic

@WandererUber @BionicNigga @Hoss let the ATV and similar things into the city and good things will happen. especially like the golf cart and the gator.
instead of an army of pigs and bureaucrats demanding everything fall within just a few strict categories and the whole thing's a scheme to shake people down for endless fees, simply allow real alternatives to cars and people will take them.
the third world has figured this out but the west has forgotten. folks in cities are just going about their day on some goofy little 3 wheeled bastard offspring of a moped and a wheelbarrow, and there's no man from the government hauling them off to jail because it doesn't have $27k worth of bullshit for "safety" and "emissions".

@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss traditional mixed neighborhoods generate more than both combined. Big box stores lose money

@WandererUber @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss yet very few people want to live there.
like, there's a reason people keep buying houses in the suburbs in the middle of a solid square mile of nothing but other houses, and it's not even niggers. grouping similar land use together becomes a major boost to quality of life once you've unlocked the horseless carriage from the tech tree and are no longer limited by how far is convenient to walk and carry shit by hand.
there's an entire world of peace and quiet out there that cityfags are missing out on. like the worst that happens is jerry from down the block likes to get up early and mow the lawn before the day gets hot.

@WandererUber @skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss The majority of transportation and land use zoning issues in USA can be reduced to "because niggers"

@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss humans are animals meant to live in a habitat where activity happens throughout the day which doesnt' necessarily have anything to do with them. i get the desire to avoid the city but you're not doing it to avoid the noise and activity you're avoiding "niggers"

maybe you should check your racism at the door buddy because that doesn't fly on fediver-- nah i'm fucking with ya lol

@skylar @WandererUber @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss Big box stores don’t, they‘re international conglomerates that don’t play nice with the rest of the community, suck business away from downtown, destroy more jobs than they create, pay subsistence wages, and to top it all off when they eventually close the building is useless for other retailers because they have deed restrictions preventing basically anyone else from using it and so it becomes yet another liability for the city.

@BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss yet people keep wanting to shop there, because it's more convenient than going downtown and walking/driving to 6 different places.
i am not a women so shopping is a chore, not a leisure activity.

@skylar @BionicNigga @Hoss Well my vehicle has zero emissions but it is entirely unsafe and not fit for the road network at all and if I was caught with it I would likely not only lose my drivers license but go to prison for a full year, at the very least. So, as you can probably guess, I agree 100%

That being said, using infrastructure and traffic rules from the third world, especially with more of them coming here, will result in a tenfold increase in congestion and deadly road hazards for White people, so I'm against that.
We're just endlessly going to end up where we started. Both ways of planning cities will not ever be acceptable to us as long as there is nonwhites around. I'm not riding the bus with niggers and I'm not sitting and waiting in traffic with a bunch of niggers clogging up the roads. And definitely not with a nigger on a 3-wheeled moped with no brakes that will get under a truck and combust like in those liveleak videos.

@BionicNigga @Hoss the fact we also all schedule our work days around the same hours even in industries where there's no fixed schedule for customers or other interactions, like manufacturing

@bajax @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss humans are animals that live in small villages, cities were just places folks had to go to seek work when the crops failed

@DemonSixOne @WandererUber @skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss White flight is certainly one factor, but many of these trends predate the great migration and are due to other factors such as corporate lobbying and the government building car infrastructure after WWII to create a short-term boom in hopes of avoiding a return to the depression without realizing the long-term liabilities, so my point is that bad urban planning is not entirely reducible to “because niggers” as many right-wingers like to claim.

@BionicNigga @DemonSixOne @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss well i agree with you there, it's not entirely because niggers.

imagine how well the suburbs + downtown pattern of development would work without the swarthy races. people could live in their big suburban house with a nice yard, then drive into the city for work and shopping and entertainment, knowing their car would sit majestically unmolested in a parking lot without a single thing stolen from it.

@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss I was thinking more in terms of forests where animals would be making noise and stuff

@BionicNigga @DemonSixOne @skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss You may very well be right, but nobody will want to change it because "walkable" means "niggers can go to your house" and "transit" means "niggers can go to your house" also.

@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss that's not a good reply, you just moved the goalpost. This was about cost, which you brought up in the first place.
People "want" all kinds of stuff. They'd probably want to dump their garbage into the storm drains if we let them. That's no basis for a community.

@WandererUber @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss my point is that some things that are nice and worth having are costs rather than generating revenue, and that's okay. we're not midwits with MBAs insisting every department of the company must directly generate revenue, cutting QA and IT, and then suffering the consequences.
having a convenient place to shop pays off in saving people time, even if it costs money in infrastructure to build and maintain.

@WandererUber @DemonSixOne @skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss I agree, my core contention is that if we want to have White communities again they need to be White, and they need to be communities, and nigger- and car-infested cities are neither of those things.

@BionicNigga @DemonSixOne @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss my brother in Christ, white people invented the car
very antisemetic white people, even!
and hitler went and came up with the idea of a car for the people, a wagon for the volk so to speak.

we can have different places with different cultures and different development patterns, not reducing the entire western world to homogenized slop because someone's decided it's more efficient to have pods in 15 minute cities but with a coat of trad LARPing paint on top

@skylar @WandererUber @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss The funny thing is that malls as originally conceptualized likely would have solved both our gripes, as they were meant to be the central social/commercial hub of a revised version of the suburban experiment, but unfortunately that never really happened.

@BionicNigga @skylar @WandererUber @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss
I fucking hate cyclists

@BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss the mall must be returned to its former glory, even if it's not a for-profit endeavor and costs the city money to maintain.
we will put up neon lights inside, and serve drinks in the food court from the 90s cup.

@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss We need to put a mall on the moon so alien blue chicks who are also goth baddies will spawn there

@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss me personally, my convenient place to shop is the internet these days.
Cost-wise, watch that first video. You're vastly underestimating the scale of the problem.

Banter aside, there is a BIIIIG problem with these urban planning types and anti white middle-class style communism. Once in a while you see people demo how cities suck and it's NEVER walking around a nice White neighborhood, but Main Street where there isn't even a sidewalk and you can't go from store to store. Yet single-family housing is what they spend most of their time bashing. If I can't raise my family in a house, I'm not staying in your city. That's just the reality. You need a solution that has both or cities will stay population sinks forever. White people need SPACE for their kids. You can't cram them into Manhattan and expect more of them. But I guess that's just me saying again how they have a anti-White commie problem. Because they don't even want to consider that the people are worth preserving.
Maybe we need a channel that instead calls for "marchable" cities, Hitler-style.

@Armpits @skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss you are a visionary. Goth alien hot topic shirts with just a bunch of extraterrestrial scribbles on them groyper

@BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss @WandererUber imagine it chat
you take the mall exit off the interstate and within 2 minutes you're pulling into a big beautiful parking garage. you feel absolutely no concern over leaving valuables in the car or even something in the truck bed. there's all types of stores there, for both grabbing some groceries or a quick visit to the hardware store for the 2 pipe fittings you need, and it's a nice cozy place for a leisurely stroll and a nice meal or a fast food burger.

and yeah the goth blue alien lady, gotta have her.

@pepsi_man @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss @WandererUber @skylar I actually tend to agree since at the end of the day I can’t have a lot of sympathy for a bunch of retards in spandex playing in traffic, but then if our cities were habitable for people and not full of speeding death machines it wouldn’t just be the gayest climate-obsessed weirdos doing it. In the Netherlands there’s really not any such a thing as a “cyclist” like we have here.

@BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @pepsi_man @Hoss get rid of the man from the government demanding loicenses and registration and insurance and and emissions testing and inspections and also there's these 97435345345 pages of requirements for each specific class of vehicle and even i could be convinced to use something other than a truck sometimes. gotta have an electric or gas motor though, i'm too skinny for human powered shit.

@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss can i exchange the goth blue alien lady for a goth fox girl instead? That one is more my style.

@bronze @skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss I love fedi

@BionicNigga @skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss and I love fox girls

@bronze @skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss can you make it do pearto

@creamqueen @skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss i can make it do this

@skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss Let’s try to find some common ground for agreement, since while I don’t think the financials of the current American model work, you do seem to know a thing or two about urban planning. While there are a lot of obvious benefits to cars, what are the main things in the current system that you want to preserve or improve upon that you think my solution would fail to improve or even ruin? Or even, what do you think it gets right more broadly?

@BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss my problem is when you're prioritizing pedestrians and everyone else over drivers. like i said, it's the same as the left, caring more about the safety of some fent zombie so he can aimlessly wander into the street no matter how many decent normal people get inconvenienced with slower travel along the way.

i like living in a completely car-dependent neighborhood of nothing but single family houses and driving everywhere i need to go. it's fast, convenient, and comfy! so having a bunch of new urbanists come in and sabotage zoning laws and parking requirements so i have to worry about developers coming in an throwing up an apartment building a couple houses down that'll make the neighborhood more crowded, or building a store or restaurant that has constant traffic and noise. the same goes for places i want to go, if the developer there can get away with building too small of parking lot, where am i gonna park?

and i sure as hell don't want my street narrowed or a bunch of random curbs and shit in the middle of it to slow down traffic. that doesn't benefit me in the slightest, because i can't use the street for anything but driving on, it's just a pointless inconvenience.

@bronze @creamqueen @skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss

That's very cool

@bronze @skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss why would I want to see this

@creamqueen @skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss you got in this hellthread all on your own so now you get to see my new fox girl.

@bronze @skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss

@creamqueen @skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss
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@skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss At the risk of sounding like a broken record, within town a car-based transportation network works more efficiently in a grid of low-speed streets and high-speed roads since cars compete less for the same space and have more time to react to pedestrians and each other. At the end of the day though, I’m not a /r/FuckCars nutcase, so I really have no problem with suburbs simply existing or other people liking them. I’d just like there to be other options and think we need better solutions to traffic engineering and cities’ financial problems, and it irks me that 99% of people talking about this are sneering leftists who think the only reason you’d be concerned about crime is their infantile understanding of “racism”.

@BionicNigga @skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss A bunch of low speed non-arterial streets means you can do away with stop lights, and even signs, at many intersections thereby reducing time waiting in traffic.
What really kills things is that a lot of the post-war residential and commercial development away from core city areas doesn't make sense in their road layouts, instead being driven by developer decisions instead of traffic or financial stability.

@wgiwf @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss ain't no way, people will just crash if there's no stop/yield sign for one direction

@BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss the grid is easy to navigate, but the non-grid type of development with curvy roads that cul-de-sacs that channel drivers toward just a few entrances onto a collector/arterial road have their benefits too. there's not really any through traffic, so there's no reason to put a bunch of annoying shit in the way to slow drivers down. with few intersections and high visibility on the arterial road, we can have a speed limit of 55 and expect most people to do 65, so it's only a couple minutes to get on the interstate or a state/US highway that's been upgraded to a freeway. down the arterial in the other direction or just across the freeway interchange, there's a big beautiful shopping center with most of the shit you need.

@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss You could easily get away with just yield signs on neighborhood streets if you keep the speeds low enough. I meant stop sighs at many intersections are unnecessary

@wgiwf @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss especially 4 way stops, those should only be used in places where there's really exceptional levels of danger.

yield signs are good. overuse of stop signs just makes people roll them.

@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @wgiwf @Hoss "skill issue"

@wgiwf @BionicNigga @skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss On the other hand we have at least one traffic fatality every year in my town because most intersections in residential areas don't have stop or even yield signs, in any direction.

@poastoak @wgiwf @skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss What’s the speed limit?

@BionicNigga @wgiwf @skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss Its not posted, i usually do 25-30

@poastoak @wgiwf @skylar @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss To get rid of stop signs it really has to be 10-15, even 25 can lead to serious injuries for pedestrians, especially with giant trucks and SUV’s dominating the new car market these days. I don’t get it, these big new trucks aren’t even that practical and I’ve heard some companies that actually need to haul shit are investing in older models, but I think the point is more to upsell customers than to make any actual sense.

@BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @poastoak @wgiwf @Hoss CAFE regs brutally murdered the small truck, the poor thing never stood a chance

Small trucks are making a comeback. I fucking hate Bezos, but I gotta admit this Slate Auto startup he's funding seems pretty nifty.

@skylar @wgiwf @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss In other countries if there’s enough traffic to be a problem even at low speeds they just install a roundabout. Again this is for walkable streets and quiet neighborhoods not major traffic corridors, and outside of the Netherlands even a lot of European cities aren’t quite the walkable utopias they’re made out to be except in the downtown areas, but it is workable. Major roads of course will always need traffic signals or interchanges where practical.

@BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @wgiwf @Hoss idk chief, i really don't care if it's walkable, that's not relevant to me

@skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @wgiwf @Hoss Who needs walkable when you have a bull bar bumper? It solves the problem of fent folded and cyclists.

@wgiwf @skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss They are reveune generating tho

@monkyyy @skylar @BionicNigga @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss Parasitism isn't a good thing

@BionicNigga @pepsi_man @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss @skylar Cities in the Netherlands are really fucking awesome and not even an American on holiday will disagree. The only people who think they suck have never seen one.

@WandererUber @BionicNigga @pepsi_man @Diogenese_Shiplap @Hoss @skylar Cities in the Netherlands are full of browns, drug dealing, prostitution and other vices.
The aesthetics are pretty good though.

@skylar @BionicNigga @DemonSixOne @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss the suburb was literally invented by a jew

@Cyrillic @BionicNigga @DemonSixOne @Diogenese_Shiplap @WandererUber @Hoss so was the bagel, and i want to stack those on the horns of dragon and oni women