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I wrote a significant essay at one point that made sense of wokeness as "ultra-orthodox progressivism".

At the moment, that's manifested as DEI, because it was easiest to become an institutional orthodoxy.

So can there be such a thing as right-progressivism? The answer is yes. Christian teleology is progressive, though not the same as Marxist or neo-Marxist progressive teleology.

Progressive teleology simply means that you are progressing towards some sort of goal. Everything from Christianity to Buddhism, to Marxism to Burkean Conservatism has a progressive teleology through some viewpoint.

If you were to implement ultra-orthodox Christian progressive teleology, would it be "woke"? Was Wang Mang "woke" 2000 years before the concept appeared for trying to virtue signal and follow a Confucian progressive teleology? In the case of Wang Mang, many of his policies even look like socialist policies.

I think not -- it's a different thing, and so it's safe to say my original definition needs to be clarified to be "ultra-orthodox Marxist or neo-Marxist progressivism", and other forms of ultra-orthodox progressivism are a different thing.

You could decide not to make such a clarification, but that breaks most of our ideological epistemology at that point. I wouldn't be too opposed to that, to be honest -- Many of today's ideals are just mutations of enlightenment ideals filtered through the French Revolution and it's consequences. That would mean that liberalism isn't so different from fascism isn't so different than socialism or Marxism, and that's somewhat true. The thing is, that means that we need to step back to pre-modern ideas to actually grow.

So if we accept "woke right" on that premise, then it immediately breaks most people's worldview entirely -- most people believe a minor permutation of the same limited thing and they need to open their minds to the vastness of human thought over thousands of years of recorded history.

I think it does require both the structure and the Marxist teleology for it to mean anything in our current civilizational frame. Otherwise, everything is everything, which is absurd even through my own superpositional lens -- not everything is everything.

There is a good argument to be made that Marxism and its progenitors are intellectual descendants of Christianity. If nothing else, the idea that we are all equals before God is a revolutionary idea that most other ideologies reject categorically.

That said, my example of Wang Mang really destroys the idea that Christianity started the concept of holiness spirals, since Wang Mang essentially virtue signaled himself in as Emperor, and in his short reign we saw many of the same consequences as wokeness in organizations. Wang Mang's entire reign would have began, and played out within canonical Jesus's lifetime, prior to the broad adoption of Christianity -- certainly within Asia.