https://battlepenguin.com/politics/how-large-scale-protest-organizers-can-build-big-tech-surveillance-networks-of-their-participants/
@djsumdog I never understood how people never caught on that those #proabortion #prochoice protests at the #SCOTUS building were all astroturfed since they were all wearing green to indicate that they were sent by #RiseUp4AbortionRights, a la #JustStopOil
You can tell the difference between the two because the state magically is incapable of doing anything about all the protests that it agrees with, and you can shut down bank accounts and bring out the lead bullets when it's something that they don't want people discussing.
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@realcaseyrollins @djsumdog There is a difference between sponsoring infrastructure and directly paying for participants.
The day y'all figure it out and/or stop deliberately conflating the 2, life will get less confusing for you.
@LostInCalifornia @djsumdog What do you mean by "infrastructure"? A pallet of bricks?
@realcaseyrollins @djsumdog Hardly. Phone lines, websites proving info, research, newsletters, and indeed tee shirts, all come in handy tho.
There is nothing more Fox News would prefer than a ragtag disorganized people showing up willy nilly so they could say the opposition is ridiculous, but people who advocate for things have been organizing for quite a few years, and there's information on how to do it.
Hint: It does not include creating fake videos, a la O'Keefe
@realcaseyrollins @djsumdog and in the interests of making you less confused - the pic of a pallet of bricks was genuine astroturfing.
@LostInCalifornia @djsumdog I'm not sure if you even read the article TBH
Yes, I know the pallet this was fake, I was making a joke
@realcaseyrollins @djsumdog I read the article.
Rent a crowd protests are far and fewer than Fox likes to pretend, but Fox does stories on them, and few on genuine protests. That is their journalistic and political choice.
The US public is media soaked, but there are still lots of protestors who will get off their asses when someone provides them with the opportunity to voice their opinions. A foundation providing a grant isn't renting a crowd.
Also, Trump sent the Marine Corps to a peaceful location on the westside of Los Angeles, known for peaceful college student demos (literally, they just hold up signs). That's a counterintel strategy the US military uses in warzones to intimidate and suppress dissent. And he's using the NG in DC, apparently because Stephen Miller is still upset that he was insulted at a sushi restaurant.
It will be a long time before the astroturfing strategies of the right become funny.
@LostInCalifornia @djsumdog Ah okay, that' a different argument than what you made before.
I'm not arguing that infrastructure is astroturfing. The reason I invoked #RiseUp4AbortionRights as an example is because it is the latter rather than the former.
@realcaseyrollins @djsumdog But you didn't make that argument. You made a sweeping argument that prochoice protests were astroturfed.
Green, FYI, is the chosen color of many organizations.
@realcaseyrollins @djsumdog Eg
"It's a great honor, personally and collectively, that green is now being taken up in the United States," said Marta Alanis, the founder of the Argentinian branch of the American organization Catholics for the Right to Decide. "Previously, the United States came to Latin America to bring us dictatorships, military bases and poverty. Today, the Latin American green tide is coming to the United States to contribute to the liberation of women."
@LostInCalifornia @djsumdog A statement about a series of protests that happened at one location doesn't count as "sweeping".
Furthermore, the American #SCOTUS building is not located in #Argentina.
@realcaseyrollins @djsumdog not only did you refer to prochoice demonstrations without distinction, you threw in the word "all"
those #proabortion #prochoice protests at the #SCOTUS building were all astroturfed
@LostInCalifornia @djsumdog My point still stands.
@realcaseyrollins @djsumdog If you define a broken chair leg laying on the ground as "standing", I guess it does.
And, BTW, prochoice is international, and her organization reps US Catholics (as stated), so that's a second chair leg lying on the ground.
@LostInCalifornia @djsumdog Wait...you're telling me you got #prochoice people outside of the #USA??? 🤯 🤯 🤯
@realcaseyrollins @djsumdog That's what "international" means. Women are women regardless of nationality.
And Latin America has been both very active, and inspiring.
@realcaseyrollins @djsumdog it is a new concept, but not on Spinster.
Anti choice is also international. That's an astroturf effort on behalf of the Vatican and the US RW primarily. Just soz you know.
@LostInCalifornia @djsumdog I've just been playing with you cuz you've been making stupid points lol.
I know all too well that support for abortion is international, as someone who is #prolife. I also know that there's a large amount of support for abortion in the #USA. I am not saying that abortion support in the #USA or internationally is astroturfed, I am saying that the #SCOTUS protests in front of the building were astroturfed.
#RiseUp4AbortionRights didn't exist until #RoeVWade got overturned, yet the minute it was formed, they had large crowds and protests that garnered media coverage as well as participation from people like #AOC. Groups don't just get created and instantly become popular like that. That's not grassroots. Even #prochoice folks on #Reddit became suspicious:
https://www.reddit.com/r/prochoice/comments/v45ikq/mod_announcement_rise_up_4_abortion_rights/
#RiseUp4AbortionRights was exclusively created to make it appear as though there was a massive amount of resistance and displeasure with the overturning of #RoeVWade. FTR, I think there was a fair bit of displeasure, but the fact that you generally didn't have protests in the #USA against the #SCOTUS decision outside of the group is a pretty good indicator that as far as protests go, yeah, these were astroturfed.