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The left couldn't possibly imagine a world where it is as easy to be a Nazi as it is to be a homo. Imagine being openly Nazi and being praised for it, imagine being hired because you're a Nazi, imagine Nazi ideology taught in schools, imagine Nazi flags hanging everywhere, imagine a whole month of the year full of Nazi parades called Nazi month. Then we would be "equal".

@Dubbub Leftists are experiencing that to the Privileged, equality feels like oppression.

@Dubbub The left has never done an operation this big because hundreds of thousands of right-wingers have never been retarded enough to say eminently fireable shit under their real names all at once.

@Dubbub >cheers when the milquetoast guy dies
>outright asks for more assassinations
>openly on social media
>with their real names everywhere
>loses jobs
>"C-C-C-CANCEL C-C-CULTURE CHUUDDD?! I THOUGHT YOU DIDN'T DO THAT CHUUUDDD!"
The left is so retarded, my fucking god.

@ArdainianRight The left has fucked us over a 1000 if not 10.000 times worse over the years, whole institutions were cleansed of people who were too right-leaning, people fired for the slightest critique of multiculturalism has become the norm.

@Dubbub
Not sure this tracks. Nazism and homosexuality aren't mutual exclusives or opposites. Besides, with all due respect for my Nazi friends, Nazism is an inherently offensive ideology with its core seeking to secure the existence and Lebensraum of the German people. It's not something that you simply put in the same house as all the other Liberal Democratic positions. In this sense, Nazism is equal to Monarchy: it breaks the current way of doing things. It's an attack from outside the establishment. Leftism otoh is a less precise term and could house anything from centrists, lukewarm conservatives, socialists, or tranny shooters.

@irie They are very opposite, in a sense Nazism is a dedicated fanatical niche of Rightism, and Homosexuality of Leftism, crazy exceptions notwithstanding.

@Dubbub @irie

You may mean promotion of public homosexuality is Leftist because Leftists are individualists

But

I do not think homosexuality is politically-coded

@amerika @Dubbub I agree, I think homosexuality is if anything something that occurs in the spiritual realm, transcending politics. Ideologies can support or oppose it, but it can appear in any ideology as it emerges from spiritual struggle, or the absence of it.

@amerika @Dubbub @irie
This is true, I've heard even the groypers have some limp wrists in their ranks.

@dj @Dubbub @irie

I am sure there are homosexual people everywhere in politics, many simply hiding it.

The Left legitimizes homosexuality only as a means to the end of legitimizing wider equality.

The Left will use LGBT and discard them as it has done with other groups (most recently Jews).

AFAIK a lot of people on the right use it the same way the Spartans did - to form deep trust relationships between men who are meant to fight together.

@cjd @Dubbub @irie @dj

Probably not the worst idea. At the very least, non-verbal communication would be strengthened.

They wouldn't do it if it didn't work. I suspect that might be why the church invented the idea that homosexuality is sinful - because in the right application it creates a dangerous amount of focused political power.

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@cjd @amerika @irie @dj Spartan homosexuality is an absolute myth, homosexuality was least tolerated in Sparta.

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Hot take:
between can be conductive towards solidarity and virtue only if all involved are practicing retention of the seed.

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...which would make them far more fearsome and mentally focused than hetero-bonded men, by far.

@cjd @amerika @dj @Dubbub imo we would all benefit from more love for one's brothers and neighbors (not the illegal invading kind) and the homo stuff isn't even needed. Christ once said (I think) we will know Christians by their love for each other. I don't know whether much of that has survived in the current year; and those who turned away from Christianity anyway, they have no incentive to cultivate such a thing. If people would feel genuinely love and care from their environment things would change drastically.

@irie @Dubbub @dj @cjd

I think it is possible to love without sex

But, for men going into battle, maybe homosexuality is an additional physical and mental bond

@Immahnoob @Dubbub not one building burned down, road blocked or pedestrian cold clocked

THE GUY I SUCKER PUNCHED SAID HE DOESN'T WANT A FIGHT, BUT IF HE DOESN'T WANT A FIGHT, WHY IS MY JAW BROKEN??????
WHAT A LIAR. WHY IS THIS HAPPENING TO ME 😭 😭 😭 😭

@Dubbub @irie There were LOTS of gay NAZIS. Look it up.

@amerika @Dubbub @cjd @dj I don't know. If I think back on all I've been through with brothers (good friends) it never crossed my mind that such a thing would elevate the quality of our bond. But when I think of relations I had with women that were based mostly on desire and obsession, mirroring the quality of same-sex relationships, then none of that would have improved us going stronger through something tough.

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I mean, hetero males aren't attracted to the male physique, and healthy humans are generally repulsed by bodily fluids broadly speaking

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on the other hand, it's certainly possible for upper-tier athletic male phenotypes to admire the physicality of the like.

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That gypsie jew literary fag is deranged, but I believe his passion is authentic on that one topic.

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I don't love the athletic male body enough to make love to the athletic male body. But I also don't love the athletic male body enough to acquire it for myself

@cjd @amerika @Dubbub @irie @dj > church invented the idea that homosexuality is sinful

Pretty sure that one was made clear in Sodom and Gomorrah.

Yes. There was no church when God bombed the shit out of Sodom. So not the church, God himself. Seems like dude is trying a cope, unsuccessfully.

@Captain80s @amerika @Dubbub @irie @dj @cjd Technically I’d make the case the Church existed for all time; but I know you’re referring to the institutional Ekklesia. At the time of Sodom and Gomorrah, the Church consisted mostly of Angels.

Yes of course. I was speaking of his idea of what the church is. Im sure he does not believe in God or Angels in an Orthodox Christian manner so I was speaking on his level.

That post is made from the perspective that there are no miracles, and the Bible was written by people.

It's not that I reject the theological perspective, but being unwilling to switch between them both makes it impossible to meaningfully debate anyone of a differing faith because you will have different fundamental assumptions.

@cjd @amerika @Dubbub @irie @dj Yeah I figured as much; my own dad went so far as to doubt the actual existence of the city; and even if it did exist it *must necessarily* have been some geological event what done them in - and that the narrative set forth in Genesis must necessarily have been purely mythological. But unless the Hebrews convinced the surrounding countries to go along with it by making up fake maps and transaction records etc, that explanation fails to make as much sense as the Tradition.

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Which is something we can only attribute to dumb luck considering how much of the right consists of media and technology impaired boomers. The line between our current reality and one where millions of boomers lost their retirements is hair thin.
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@BiggusDiccus @Dubbub
It's mostly because the left pioneered this stuff and did it a thin slice at a time, so people had to learn and adjust. We've been holding back for years, and now they're super overextended and vulnerable.

I hadn't looked into it enough to form any real opinion on the topic.

Being raised atheist, my default perspective is not "this is a factual and correct record of events". And being a probability & conspiracy wonk, my default perspective on *anything* is: It doesn't matter what truth is, you'll never be sure anyway, all that matters is the quality of your decisions. So my theories of the world and plentiful, and they come and go on a daily basis.

That said, in recent years I have found the Bible to be a treasure trove of concepts which are True, in the sense that they accurately model real phenomena. For example the Deal with the Devil is something which even the most extremist atheist must admit actually happens - even if there is no such thing as the Devil, people still do something which is efficiently described as "selling their soul".

Likewise, the concept that cities decay, people become hedonistic, and that those cities then suffer collapse or destruction - which you must flee, is also an accurate depiction of reality.

@cjd @KingOfWhiteAmerica @amerika @Dubbub @dj it's a tricky thing to meddle with a man's faith, but if you've come this far perhaps you may discover even more than what you described. But what you may do with it is your decision alone

It's absolutely possible. As a probability and conspiracy wonk, I'm a total stickler for receipts, but also I'm not ready to rule anything out.

@cjd @amerika @Dubbub @irie @dj I completely get that; I was raised in a secular humanist household dressed up as Mormons. At 13 I was decisively convinced Mormonism is false - which put me off the whole religion-thing for a long time. Over time, I became more open to the idea of “spirit” being objectively real, but my first hypothesis was that it’s some natural force yet-poorly understood. I set about what amounted to a strenuous five-year research project, operating under this premise. Long story short, I *abruptly* reached a point wherein it would have required *more* faith, to continue to accept the naturalistic premise. From there, it took about five or six years or so to arrive at Traditional Orthodoxy.

I’m also able to switch between paradigms - which is a useful perceptual exercise in making sense of other people’s perceptions and, ultimately, intentions.

@cjd @amerika @irie @dj @KingOfWhiteAmerica There's a book The Case for Christ, I haven't read it cause I'm familiar with the arguments already, but supposedly it looks at at the historical data which is more compatible with the Bible than with atheistic explanations.

Wisdom is always derived from factual truths. If you believe the Bible contains wisdom why not entertain the notion, even for a while, that it might be true, and let Jesus into your heart and let Him convince you of the rest? That happened to me, I've been an atheist most of my life, then I prayed and my prayer was miraculously answered. I have never doubted since, even when I'm too lazy to be a good Christian.

@Dubbub @cjd @amerika @irie @dj In the same vein, Tim Keller’s The Reason For God landed in my lap at just such a time when I “needed permission” to abandon my atheistic presuppositions. I’d still been laboring under the impression that mainstream American Evangelicalism as I’d encountered it made it impossible for me to take it seriously; I was “just too smart for that.“ His book dispelled the illusion that Christianity was necessarily anti-intellect.

> Over time, I became more open to the idea of “spirit” being objectively real

I'm sure you know this already, but there was a concept of spirit called Gaia in ancient Greece. That has been kicked around various polytheistic religions over time, also referred to as Monad.

At some point there was an evolution of this idea toward believing that everything is a wave, and that the universe is a "sound". All the way up until 1900, people were looking for an "aether" which is the medium in which light and other electromagnetic waves are traveling.

This theory lead to a famous experiment to try to find the speed earth travels through the aether, and that was to be done by measuring the speed of light in different directions. If the earth is moving, light can't exceed the speed of light, so it will appear to be going faster in one direction than another.

The experiments yielded no difference, and Einstein said if you can't prove it exists then it doesn't. But that turned out to be a bad instinct because we ended up with these very bizarre phenomena in physics, for example, a fast moving clock ticks slower compared to one that sits still. But in space there's no universal definition of "still", so the clock which experiences acceleration, speeding up and slowing down, is considered to be the fast one, which should be behind the other when they are brought back together. And this is apparently quite real, the GPS satellites have to account for it.

But if you pretend for a moment that the aether does exist, and that the only reason why you can't measure your speed in it is because when light slows down, so too do all the mechanical processes that make the clock tick, then all of this voodoo magic in Einstein's relativity goes away. This was the theory of Hendrik Lorentz, lost in history because Einstein was more popular.

And indeed Quantum Mechanics has proven that there is *something*, a medium through which the waves travel which make the particles which make the universe. And it's hard to argue that this "stuff" is not also a representation of the aether.

Anyway, the point of that whole essay is that this ancient philosophy that everything emerges from "sound", is a vanishingly unlikely thing to guess at random, and be right about. So firstly, whatever else these people believed warrants some kind of examination, but secondly, if there was ever any hard physical evidence of humans accessing truth from a higher power, this would certainly qualify.

@KingOfWhiteAmerica @amerika @irie @dj @cjd I've met highly educated people who are Creationists, and absolute morons who are "too smart for that sky daddy nonsense". Much of first millenium theology was about squaring the knowledge of Antiquity with Christian teachings. We should return to that, seeing how science fits into the Christian worldview, and not trying to bend over backwards to placate the whims of modernity while holding onto a shred of Deism.

Okay. People always talk about how they "left the door open" and "Jesus came in", so I'm too curious not to at least put it on my bookshelf and see if it calls to me. But I don't have high expectations because I'm probably the most doubtful person I know - in many cases the best I'll ever get to is "that seems plausible".

@cjd @amerika @Dubbub @irie @dj Yeah man; a lot of accepting The Faith amounts to two distinct, yet related considerations:

  1. Priorities, and

  2. Trusted Sources

In life I find we’re obliged to accept the majority of knowledge we obtain on good authority. Even in cases like mine where I actually did ferret some actual data out from Nature’s grasp, the significance of any data must be interpreted through some sort of paradigm - most of which is received ”on good authority”. Else it‘s just points on a graph/list or digits on a screen.

And while a man is free to set his own priorities at will, to a large extent, for better or worse we inherit Society’s priorities, as the context in which we live our daily lives. Where we stand relative to that, has an enormous impact on the likelihood we’ll encounter like-minded individuals to ourselves.

Prevailing paradigms are probably the biggest single indicator of what we can expect, from voicing a given assertion - moreso than any Truth inherent in said assertion; at least at first.

@Immahnoob @Dubbub Reminder they're the ones who brag about having the most empathy.

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I don't love the athletic male body enough to make love to the athletic male body. But I also don't love the athletic male body enough to acquire it for myself

@kuteboicoder @cjd @amerika @irie @Dubbub
It seems like since Charlie's death and groypers leading the WN movement now people are more open about being gay on here.

@Dubbub
The left had people fired for pointing out crime statistics or not wanting to affirm trannies.

The right had people fired for cheering political violence.


The left pretends this is exactly the same and that the right are hypocrites.
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@Beefki @Dubbub
Arguing doesn't work. They hit you, you hit them back harder. Let them ponder the mystery of our "hypocrisy" and "hatefulness" all they want behind bars.

@ArdainianRight
For all the talk of "fascism" the left does it would be awful cathartic to show them what real fascism looks like.

They're practically begging for it at this point.
@Dubbub

@cjd @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Dubbub @amerika @dj the thing with faith, in the Christian context, is that it's something very intimate, personal, and esoteric (within the heart). If the desire for God does not sit there, then all external pressure and attempts may just make it even more difficult for it to appear. If something can only come from within, then what good will external pressure do? Christian faith It also transcends all rationality: We talk about something supernatural: A being that created all, reality itself, must be outside of time, space, and immaterial. This transcends the laws, principles, and even the domain of science as it is understood today; just like the relationship between man and God.

@irie @cjd @amerika @Dubbub @dj This is even made explicit in Traditional Christian understanding:

“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.”

‭‭~ Matthew‬ ‭11‬:‭27‬ ‭

Reiterated specifically in:

“He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar–jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.”

‭‭~ Matthew‬ ‭16‬:‭15‬-‭17‬

Christianity has as a built-in presupposition that the True Faith itself is a gift from above. The reasons why God gives to some and not others are Mysterious - and subject to change over the course of a whole lifetime (though it’s we who change, not God).