Do you exceed posted speed limits?
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@Vox
I just 33'd your poll with always... HA!
When I was in the U.S., it would always be 7 miles over, maximum, and I would be in the non-passing lane (as in most vehicles went for than 7 miles over it).
@Vox@noauthority.social does five above on the freeway count as “always”?
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@Vox If you drive the speed limit here, you are endangering yourself and others.
@Vox who is enforcing the rules and laws?
I've been through certain jurisdictions that a small overstep is punishable, whereas, I've been through others where it'll take a stride or two until enforcement is enacted.
Rules and laws are rigid, but can be bent. Broken brings paperwork, and I don't like paperwork.
@Vox are we driving a clean, brand new Camry, or a multi-primered 80's shitbox?
Stereotyping is real.
Some cars, you look like you're speeding at a stop light, others you could be going +15 mph, and unless they hit you with the radar gun, they wouldn't know. Some cars, you just look like you're out to deal drugs.
I don't speed on those roads 😬
@Vox Depends on the state. Some, never; most 5, a few 10.
@rubberducky That's a fucking midwit take. The speed limit is what is expected and is the norm. Everyone operating outside the posted and expected parameters is endangering themself and others. @Vox
@black6 @Vox https://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/uslimits/notes/speed_info.htm
They recently raised the speed limit by 10mph so it's closer to correct now. Some drivers insist on the old limit so...
@Vox@noauthority.social 5 over around here will keep ya safe. Besides this, I am a rule follower.
Seattle and Tucson, and surrounding areas in the states of those two cities... driving 5 miles meant you were often in the non-passing lane. If you drove the speed limit, 90% of the vehicles would pass you.
@billybon3s @Vox @ChristopherBattles
Speeding tickets and that sort of enforcement is one of the biggest scams in the U.S.
Don't fix crime... set up speed traps for fines.
@Vox every single goddamn time! Why do you think all my posts are edited? 🤣
@Vox nice try local cop who has worked for a whole month and has near zero training on anything other than righting tickets.
If the FBI was worth a hill of beans, w wouldn't have the six week cycle or child porn or trafficking. Ergo, FBI isn't worth their salt.
@ChristopherBattles @billybon3s @black6 @commandlinekid @mhjohnson @rubberducky @Vox
@Vox Never on #SocialTeciWorld since their character limit is 1776 lol
But I'm not gonna stop. that's the limit, I'll drive the limit. Even if I do have a convoy of 100 vehicles behind me waiting for the road to split again.
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I'd have voted "never" if I could vote in my own poll, and no, I would NOT be lying. I'm actually pretty dang terrified of high speeds, and I think the posted limits are sometimes too high.
I'm currently in West Virginia, and the roads here are curvy and steep. Nobody should be going 70 mph in those conditions. I just about have a heart attack every time there's a downhill curve.
If people would quit merging into the right lane, we would. Gladly.
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The accidents would be prevented if everyone obeyed the law. Are you suggesting that law-breaking is the way to avoid accidents? Maybe you also think it's fine to shoplift. After all, it's only property theft. We could go further and say that it's fine for Muslims to rape women who aren't covered from head to toe. I guess the way to prevent that crime is to live in a tent if you're female.
@Vox speaking purely for the highway, if you're driving the speed limit and feel like that is "too fast" or "scary" then please never drive again in the state I currently reside thanks
I do NOT drive down south. At all. I only drive in rural Alaska where there are only 2 lanes, no ramps, and the max speed in the state is 55 mph.
I'm just the terrified passenger white-knuckling the oh-crap-handle and stomping the imaginary brake.
In 1993, my grandfather died in a head-on collision, and my grandmother was horribly injured. Hospitalized for a YEAR. Never really recovered.
Getting where he wanted to be a few minutes earlier is not worth what that selfish jerk did.
@Vox Alaska would be pretty scary to drive in, given the ice and what not.
I drive in FL mostly, which is basically toddler easy mode for travel. People going 15 under in the left hand lane is the cause for much angst.
People who have never been to AK say stuff like that. I live in Ketchikan. Not much ice or snow. Mostly rain.
> The accidents would be prevented if everyone obeyed the law
(I'm ignoring the rest of your false equivalence fallacy)
The accidents would also be prevented if everybody matched my speed. Or if everybody walked instead of taking cars. Or if anyone who isn't in a hurry just stayed home. There are a lot of protocols that "everybody" could adhere to. "The law" simply has the advantage of a government-supplied communication and enforcement system.
Speed limits are arbitrary. We like to assume that they're set with road conditions, intersections, and traffic patterns in mind. Sometimes they're set simply to maximize a local jurisdiction's revenue. But even assuming the most beneficient intentions from the roads department, speed limits are set for a section of road independent of local weather, traffic patterns, and type of vehicle. Which means that they're set to the lowest-common denominator. If a road says Speed 55, that's the safe speed for an 18-wheeler in heavy rain and heavy traffic in the middle of the night while a childrens' parade is just letting out. During bright daylight with no traffic and a highly agile car, a person can safely go faster than that. Your solution doesn't allow for that.
More importantly, your solution bucks incentives, which simply doesn't work when you put humans into the mix.
A multi-vehicle accident generally takes two fuck-ups. One person driving too fast while another changes lanes obliviously. Two people trying to move into the same space. etc. What IceCubeSoup is proposing is that he wants to intentionally be the first fuck-up, so that he can "catch" someone who makes the second. That is FAR more dangerous than just letting someone "get away" with passing you at five over, and then no longer being anywhere near you.
I know this from experience. That used to be me.
Hey, don't pin the escalation on me. I'm responding to someone who wants to intentionally get in a wreck just to teach someone a lesson, and someone who argues that doing five over on the freeway is as bad as rape.
@ryan @cbrooklyn112 @Vox Bemrose has been infected by extended and repeated exposure to maggos threads.
@ryan I have no evidence to back this up, but I believe a major contributing factor to motor vehicle accidents in the US is the unpredictability of American drivers.
Is the oncoming car on the highway going the speed limit, 10 over, 10 under, or something more wild? I dunno, but it factors into your ability to safely make a turn.
Is the car approaching a stop sign at full speed going to stop? Almost no one stops at the fucking line, so who knows? @IceCubeSoup @Vox
@ryan Speed limits, stop signs, yield signs, etc can be arbitrarily set, yes, but when everyone adheres to the posted regulations (we can bring in contract law and talk about the contract you sign when you fill out the application for a license at the DMV if you want to get Voluntaryist about it) it makes their actions more predictable and everyone's commute safer. @IceCubeSoup @Vox
@black6 @ryan @IceCubeSoup @Vox Remove all road signage, outlaw seatbelts and airbags, and give it a couple of years to work itself out.
If you want to get Voluntaryist about it, that contract was coerced, and not entered willingly.
Being predictable on the road is desirable. That doesn't always mean following what bureaucrats posted. For example, the freeways around here all say 60, but it's very common for every car nearby to be traveling at 70. In those cases, a person strictly adhering to the posted speed limit, without regard to conditions around them, is the most dangerous person on the road.
Here, people run a lot of lights. I find this unsettling. Sure, the law is an ass, but we need some standards...
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Alright, I accept the accusation of false equivalence. Rape and speed are not the same. Rape, without accompanying violence, usually only damages a person's mind/soul. Speed, in a worst-case scenario, makes people DEAD. (Or horribly injured, which may be worse.)
I hate speed. BIG HATE!!
I love that Sir Keeper is the guy that gets flipped off in the right lane by selfish jerks who think getting to their destination a couple of minutes sooner is worth KILLING PEOPLE.
> I hate speed. BIG HATE!!
Good news: I hear they're working on a mRNA vaxx for that.
@ryan @IceCubeSoup @Vox Good debating self-determination here. It's not for every one. Years ago my progressive friend who drove a box truck for sound gigs all over said, "It's those that don't wear seat belts that result in carnage that drive up the cost of health care!" To which I said, "The insurance co's could declare that if you are in an accident not wearing the belt, we won't pay the claim. But NO, they have outsourced that to gov-co so they don't have to." He said, "Good point."