i will die on the hill that people who keep whinging about universal healthcare should seriously question why medicine seems to be uniquely exempt from the laws of supply and demand.
everything you could ever want that existed 50 years ago is now available significantly cheaper than its ever been. except somehow seeing a doctor went from costing 10$ to 2,000$.
isn't that funny
everything you could ever want that existed 50 years ago is now available significantly cheaper than its ever been. except somehow seeing a doctor went from costing 10$ to 2,000$.
isn't that funny
And heavily subsidized education -- but only if it's education that's heavily accredited. Most education's cost has begun to approach 0.
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@sj_zero i have opinions about accreditation but its hard enough even getting people to realize its an intentional supply issue and their beloved insurance is not a solution
@icedquinn Unregulated #capitalism on services with inelastic demand--especially with something so complex as healthcare--results in what we're seeing, I think, as well as absurd subsidies like what we have today.
I think if we switched from a primarily subsidized system to a primarily privatized system, costs would go down, but I fear that the quality of care might as well.
It's good to lower costs, I just don't want that to hurt a whole too many people.
@realcaseyrollins http://www.freenation.org/a/f12l3.html it was cheap when subject to market forces.
it's expensive because it's not.
it's expensive because it's not.
@realcaseyrollins @icedquinn
You are screwed either way. People are hurting now losing everything to pay medical bills or to avoid care.
We need a National Healthcare system
You are screwed either way. People are hurting now losing everything to pay medical bills or to avoid care.
We need a National Healthcare system
@verita84 @realcaseyrollins letting retards who can't balance a checkbook be your dad is certainly a decision of all time.
@icedquinn I'll check this out!
No doubt that going with straight #capitalism would make prices go down, I'm just a little worried that might also decrease the quality of care, that's all. You get what you pay for.
@verita84 @realcaseyrollins "being healthy" has, in theory, infinite demand. this should also in theory create a heavy market to become a doctor. this should also in theory create demand for systems which result in the creation of doctors. there are perverse incentives where doctors should just give palliatives and never cure anything (because cures only sell once) although this should IN THEORY be subject to someone else undercutting them. such is the laws of markets.
the times this doesn't happen is during cartelization. its not just medicine, its literally a pattern that occurs repeatedly throughout history. some superwinners realize they can make line go up if only they could stop those annoying competitors that undercut them and they construct barricades to stop it.
the most efficient way to barricade is government malregulation.
which is.. exactly what rockefeller did.
the times this doesn't happen is during cartelization. its not just medicine, its literally a pattern that occurs repeatedly throughout history. some superwinners realize they can make line go up if only they could stop those annoying competitors that undercut them and they construct barricades to stop it.
the most efficient way to barricade is government malregulation.
which is.. exactly what rockefeller did.
@realcaseyrollins @verita84 there are realities in that medical schools are often heavily loaded in students. rockefeller had the ones closed that refused to let him dictate their syllabus (which consisted of having every avenue of medicine banned that he didn't own shares of.)
in theory if the schools are full people should open new ones. accreditation means you can't.
this happened with court reporting where a world class stenographer started selling classes in his own theory but it's not "accredited" because only specific approved theories were considered valid. yet it was objectively effective and he became respected in the industry despite never being "legally" a real court reporting school. (this is no longer the case, the certifications moved away from specific methods and now just specify target requirements.)
when i was in wisconsin there was a trade school like that. the guy who founded it (and i think died?) was in a similar boat where going to his school didn't get you a diploma but it got you a job. (he worked out deals with compaies to ask what skills they wanted, trained those, and bypassed the state.) his daughter iirc wanted to be a 'real school' and ruined the place to appease them.
you have to put the systems back in their proper place. subjecting everyone to professional bookies who's job is to avoid paying out at all cost will never accomplish this.
i will now stop talking about this
in theory if the schools are full people should open new ones. accreditation means you can't.
this happened with court reporting where a world class stenographer started selling classes in his own theory but it's not "accredited" because only specific approved theories were considered valid. yet it was objectively effective and he became respected in the industry despite never being "legally" a real court reporting school. (this is no longer the case, the certifications moved away from specific methods and now just specify target requirements.)
when i was in wisconsin there was a trade school like that. the guy who founded it (and i think died?) was in a similar boat where going to his school didn't get you a diploma but it got you a job. (he worked out deals with compaies to ask what skills they wanted, trained those, and bypassed the state.) his daughter iirc wanted to be a 'real school' and ruined the place to appease them.
you have to put the systems back in their proper place. subjecting everyone to professional bookies who's job is to avoid paying out at all cost will never accomplish this.
i will now stop talking about this