They all need bodycams.
I don't like law enforcement agencies but I really don't like criminal scumbags.
Get some Meta Ray-ban smart speculos!
@chris — I’m confused. Why can’t I hear the gunshots? 🧐
@MSP_SMIMSA @magicalthinking @chris ~~criminal scumbags~~ Communists. MUCH worse.
@lindy @magicalthinking @chris
The best commies were criminal scumbags
@MSP_SMIMSA @magicalthinking @chris criminal scumbags are unpopular. There must something more to a commie.
@MountainJay @chris The pops you hear at the end, they don’t sound like “movie gun shots” since those are made up to make more “terrifying”.
After watching this it definitely takes away the my initial impression that maybe she just panicked. She definitely had the demeanor of someone who thought they were untouchable.
I still don’t think that it was necessary for the officer to shoot her.
I still think the whole situation could have been avoided if local authorities and the media acted like they should and not made this into some sort of game.
@RandomDeamon @sir_rob @MountainJay
None of this is a joke. In most U.S. states, deadly force is legal when a person reasonably fears imminent death, serious injury, or forcible felony. Castle Doctrine removes any duty to retreat at home, and CCW training teaches shoot center-mass to stop the threat. America isn’t built on proportionality. Escalation can turn fatal fast.
When you try to run someone over with your car, or at least if someone believes that you are trying to run them over with your car, proportionality says you are already using deadly force, so using deadly force back is justified in defense.
And I would push further, and say this isn't an America thing. If you try to run over a law enforcement officer in europe, or in the uk, or in japan, or in china, or in canada, pretty much every one of those places would consider that police officer justified in pulling their gun on you. You just don't have a right to run people over with your car. Don't do it, it's a bad idea.
Earlier mountain_jay talked about the fact that the shooting wasn't necessary, and and I think that that's a separate question from whether it was justified. Legally and morally speaking, when that lady hit the gas when someone was immediately in front of her car, if she got shot it was her own fault almost anywhere. But I would tend to agree that this isn't like that white SUV that happened the same day where the guy turned around and went to run the cop back over three more times. I'm guessing that based on the fact that the police officer did survive, that things would have turned out much better if he hadn't. She would still be going to jail, but she would still be alive. But, that's something that's easier to say with perfect hindsight.
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@sj_zero @MountainJay @RandomDeamon @sir_rob
Guess that's one of the other terrible things about concealed carry people is that at the end of the day everybody says that if you're going to get into an altercation where you need to shoot somebody that you better pray that they die because otherwise you're in a world of hurts that's even worse and that you'll end up being collapsed under civil lawsuit after civil lawsuit. It's almost SOP.
@sj_zero @MountainJay @RandomDeamon @sir_rob
PS I really appreciate that insight Thank you for sharing that "with the class." Really good and thoughtful stuff mahalo
So much reasoning! Try this: people who are willing to either assault police officers with cars, or try to hold back police cars as a protest, are fucking useless and we lose nothing if we lose them from society.
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@sj_zero -- << Earlier mountain_jay talked about the fact that the shooting wasn't necessary <<
To clarify, my only comment on the subject is that I couldn't hear the gunshots.
It appears to me that the officer was threatened with deadly force. And I agree that "justified" and "necessary" are two separate questions. I don't have enough information to form an opinion on whether or not is was "necessary".
@sj_zero -- you just confused me with RandomDaemon, no biggie. ;)
I appreciate reading everyone's take in this thread on this!
@9d68c0e86da299aeb962cfb8cce4ddfa061e98cd6c544ea72942f051993a4529 @RandomDeamon @sir_rob @MountainJay @sj_zero
So then you're saying that the Kent State shootings were justified then?
@chris @sj_zero @MountainJay @RandomDeamon Dead men tell no tails.
Even here in Canada, an RCMP friend of my dad’s told him if someone is breaking into your house and you shoot them, make sure they’re dead.