The international globalist is still a sort of nationalist, because he still imagines the people can be standardized and controlled so you can bring anyone into your physical region and still maintain control. If you're wrong and to change the people is to relinquish control over them because they are a different thing you cannot standardize, then to change the people is to change your relationship to power, and ultimately to remove it. The only difference is that instead of France being controlled from Paris, the world is controlled from Brussels, or New York, or Davos, and instead of the people being the french, the people are humanity.
@sj_zero I don't think your assumption is correct. Nationalism embraces group distinction and wants to cater to this already established, biological/ethnical/cultural reality. International globalist wants to homogenize us mostly by immigration supported by economical pressures and enforcing the new status quo by policy and law.
These are drastically different approaches that result in radically different results.
These are drastically different approaches that result in radically different results.
As I said a moment ago in another post, nationalism ultimately does -- and successfully did -- homogenize us. Pre-modern France or Germany were fundamentally different things than modern France or Germany. The way they measured things changed. The language they spoke change. The stories they told to their children changed. Control was centralized, and local culture was replaced with the capitol. It embraces group distinction insofar as there is another thing, but in practice flattens it within the thing "we" are.
Internationalism then just takes this to a different scale. Instead of standardizing based on the in-group being national to a region, it expands it to the planet. If we met aliens, the internationalist might still see them the way the nationalist French saw the nationalist Germans, as an other to be opposed.
Internationalism then just takes this to a different scale. Instead of standardizing based on the in-group being national to a region, it expands it to the planet. If we met aliens, the internationalist might still see them the way the nationalist French saw the nationalist Germans, as an other to be opposed.
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@sj_zero You talk like we're all treating "homogenization" equally at all levels of granularity. Are you really trying to equal to cohesion of peoples evolved biologically/ethnically/culturally in neighboring territories to throwing hundreds of distinct(again biologically / ethnically / culturally ) people's group of Earth into a pulverizer and calling it the (((modern society)))?
Yeah, that different scale is that pulverizer and it comes with force, because you can't mix different vastly biologically organisms together and expect it to work.
But that's only the aspect of one side, the forcing of nationalism likeness into globalism side. How about taking a look what historical "nationalists" say about nationalism and peoples themselves? Most of them appreciate their differences and want all cohesive peoples to be their own sovereigns.
Yeah, that different scale is that pulverizer and it comes with force, because you can't mix different vastly biologically organisms together and expect it to work.
But that's only the aspect of one side, the forcing of nationalism likeness into globalism side. How about taking a look what historical "nationalists" say about nationalism and peoples themselves? Most of them appreciate their differences and want all cohesive peoples to be their own sovereigns.
@sj_zero They treat “nations” as economic and political power zones rather than the things that nationalists think are most important. A good example of the distinction might be Stalin who erased a lot of subcultures in Russia and Ukraine. He banned the use of the terms "Rusyn" and "Carpatho-Rusyn and effectively erased Ruthenian people from records. Other homogenization efforts affected the Tatar, Chechen, and Volga German populations through either deportation or ethnic identity erasure. Nationalism is just a code word for externally applied cultural conformity to the globalist.