‘‘‘Left’ and ‘right’ mean the same thing today that they’ve meant since the French Revolution. Ask someone, ‘What’s more important: property rights, or human rights?’ If they answer: ‘Property rights are human rights,’ they are on the right.’’
#StevenBrust, quoted by Cory Doctorow
https://locusmag.com/2024/03/cory-doctorow-capitalists-hate-capitalism/
@strypey I'm not able to read every article, but in every "western" society property rights are a subset of human rights. as long as they do not supersede human rights in general both the "left" and the "right" can be correct in your straw man comparison.
@beepcheck
> in every "western" society property rights are a subset of human rights
So maybe you're on the right. That doesn't make you wrong. It's just not how the left - as a political tendency - understands the relationship between human rights and property. The article goes on;
"In other words, the right’s ideology holds that if you’re starving and I’m incinerating a bunch of bread that would save your life, my property right to my bread trumps your right to not starve to death."
"You can deplore starvation and recoil in horror from the prospect of someone dying of exposure on the streets of your city, but if you take the side of the owner of a vacant home over the right of the person sleeping on its doorstep, you’re taking the side of property rights over human rights. You value both human rights and property rights – but you value property rights more than human rights."
#CoryDoctorow, 2024
https://locusmag.com/2024/03/cory-doctorow-capitalists-hate-capitalism/
How is that implied by "property rights are human rights"?
@strypey you last two comments ate spot on.
the rights of a property shall not supersede the rights of people.
@beepcheck
> the rights of a property shall not supersede the rights of people
Ah, so property rights are secondary to human rights, not part of them. Welcome to the left ; )
@Hyolobrika
> How is that implied by "property rights are human rights"?
Because the claim is that they have equal status. For the left, humab rights trump property rights wherever they come into conflict. So by definition they can't be equal, let alone part of the same thing.
>For the left, human rights trump property rights wherever they come into conflict. So by definition they can't be equal, let alone part of the same thing.
Property rights could be a less important form of human right, lesser than the other human rights.
@Hyolobrika
> Property rights could be a less important form of human right, lesser than the other human rights
Is this really the hill you want to die on?