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@lain @mangeurdenuage would you be okay with unions that are / if they were completely voluntary organisations that had no contacts in government at all?

@thendrix @lain @mangeurdenuage I've heard that European unions and American unions are different
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@lain @mangeurdenuage do they actually?

@lain @mangeurdenuage do you think it's possible for collective bargaining by workers to exist without anyone applying force?

@lain @mangeurdenuage I used to wonder why libertarians such as yourself were against unions if they are voluntary organisations formed by workers to protect their interests. I didn't think working with government was that widespread.

@lain @mangeurdenuage cc: @evelyn You describe yourself as a "trade unionist". What do you think of this?

@lain @mangeurdenuage how could that work? policing and military defense inherently by their nature involve force or violence

@lain Yeah, true. What’s a good book on this that I can read that explains your views in detail? I started reading The Machinery of Freedom but I couldn’t find anything other than a PDF which was inconvenient to read on a phone.

@lain Thank you for the epub. I usually get those from annas-archive.org. It's nice to not have to deal with their waitlist.

@lain True. I just go to AA as a habit.