@lain
>they just decided to stop putting their efforts into them (2d animation) and used them as evidence that nobody wants to see them
More about that. The main reason they went 3D is mainly because the unions were absent there.
>they just decided to stop putting their efforts into them (2d animation) and used them as evidence that nobody wants to see them
More about that. The main reason they went 3D is mainly because the unions were absent there.
@lain That or greedy a holes. Or both.
@lain @mangeurdenuage would you be okay with unions that are / if they were completely voluntary organisations that had no contacts in government at all?
@Hyolobrika @mangeurdenuage (if they didn’t beat and intimidate people and all that stuff either)
Also they could charge no dues or have "leadership" roles... so basically they shouldn't exist.
I love all these unions with "no endorsements" this election as the union leadership directly opposes all the workers.
@lain @Hyolobrika
>f they didn’t beat and intimidate people
Time to shill NVC.
Education course mandatory
>f they didn’t beat and intimidate people
Time to shill NVC.
Education course mandatory
In the US they skim everyone's paychecks with dues and make it a requirement to work in the shop. It's a tax for the leadership that basically get yachts off the dues.
Modern unions are bad for everyone except union leadership that treat it like a Chinese political appointment to a corp... because that's exactly what it is.
@mangeurdenuage @lain @Hyolobrika yes and how do you intend to make it mandatory? through use of force..?
@Hyolobrika @mangeurdenuage historically, yes. physical intimidation was their main way of getting what they wanted before they got the big daddy of physical intimidation to give them special 'rights'
@lain @mangeurdenuage do you think it's possible for collective bargaining by workers to exist without anyone applying force?
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@Hyolobrika @mangeurdenuage in principle yes, in practice it's hard to know. i think it would pay too much to defect in most cases. but i really don't know.
@lain @mangeurdenuage I used to wonder why libertarians such as yourself were against unions if they are voluntary organisations formed by workers to protect their interests. I didn't think working with government was that widespread.
@lain @mangeurdenuage cc: @evelyn You describe yourself as a "trade unionist". What do you think of this?
@Hyolobrika @mangeurdenuage i think there's lots of stuff that's in principle fine, but in practice it's mostly not. like policing or military defense. sex and rape are the same physical act, but they are still very different in moral terms.
@Hyolobrika @lain @evelyn @mangeurdenuage I don't really care if the unions pressure the government to give them more rights, that's a good thing. The government is largely bought by rich people, so why would I be against workers being able to influence it for once via collective action?
I also think it's pretty funny to blame unions for the fact that billion-dollar companies will switch to an entire different type of animation because they have bigger hopes on exploiting workers there due to them being less organized. Disney is a company that has huge profit margins, it's not a small, struggling business. They want to minimize the amount of money that they have to share with the people responsible for actually doing the fucking work that generates their revenue and this is a problem with corporations and not with unions. If anything, we need unions in more industries so companies don't have a choice but to hire workers who are ready to fight for their rights and hence get forced to pay them a fair share. (non union workers benefit from their field being heavily unionized too, btw)
I also think it's pretty funny to blame unions for the fact that billion-dollar companies will switch to an entire different type of animation because they have bigger hopes on exploiting workers there due to them being less organized. Disney is a company that has huge profit margins, it's not a small, struggling business. They want to minimize the amount of money that they have to share with the people responsible for actually doing the fucking work that generates their revenue and this is a problem with corporations and not with unions. If anything, we need unions in more industries so companies don't have a choice but to hire workers who are ready to fight for their rights and hence get forced to pay them a fair share. (non union workers benefit from their field being heavily unionized too, btw)
@lain @mangeurdenuage how could that work? policing and military defense inherently by their nature involve force or violence
@Hyolobrika (untagging cloudy becuase i doubt he cares) the problem isn't force per se, it's illegitmate force, and self defence is the reason for force to be legitimate. if someone steals your computer and puts it in his room, it's okay to 'break in' to get it back.
@lain Yeah, true. What’s a good book on this that I can read that explains your views in detail? I started reading The Machinery of Freedom but I couldn’t find anything other than a PDF which was inconvenient to read on a phone.
@Hyolobrika there's an epub here: https://nakamotoinstitute.org/library/the-machinery-of-freedom/
here's a much shorter one on this topic: https://mises.org/library/book/chaos-theory-two-essays-market-anarchy
and here's a much longer one:
https://mises.org/library/book/new-liberty-libertarian-manifesto
here's a much shorter one on this topic: https://mises.org/library/book/chaos-theory-two-essays-market-anarchy
and here's a much longer one:
https://mises.org/library/book/new-liberty-libertarian-manifesto
@lain Thank you for the epub. I usually get those from annas-archive.org. It's nice to not have to deal with their waitlist.
@Hyolobrika luckily most market anarchists don't believe in copyright so they just put their stuff out there
@Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net @lain@lain.com @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world trade unions used to be a lot more fun than they are these days